<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Josh,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks for your comments. I'll leave it to Jonathan and Lise to determine whether you should be on any part of tonight's call. I'm going to try my best to be on it, but 2-4 am is difficult (only slightly better than 3-5 or 4-6 am...). I've made a tweak to touch on the additional point you raise here.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm now going to circulate this to the full list.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> </span></font></p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="800" style="width:600.0pt">
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Hofheimer, Joshua T. <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com" target="_blank">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Greg – Your follow-up responses are well stated, thank you. I note there is one additional “Key Issue” in Sidley’s actual mark-up to the IANA IPR license that
goes to the overall authority of the IETF Trust. It’s actually mentioned briefly in the Issues List under Section C.2.e but expanded upon in our comment to Section 6.3 of the IANA IPR License (another copy is attached here for convenience).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Specifically, we ask the CWG to consider whether the IETF Trust should ever have the unilateral power to terminate the IPR License with ICANN, or if it should
be entitled to terminate only (and automatically) following a determination by the [Community/CSC/IRP Process] that PTI and/or ICANN have failed in their duties in such a manner that transition to a new IANA Services Provider is required. This would eliminate
the IETF Trust’s authority to review the quality of IANA Services, but also would avoid having to create another administrative review process. It also makes logical sense because we would not want to find ourselves in a situation in which ICANN/PTI are providing
the IANA Services, but no longer have a license to the IP or domain names because of an independent finding by the IETF Trust.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I do not think much time was allocated for an IPR discussion on tonight’s call (thus, I was not planning to attend), but this is an item for discussion on the
next IPR-focused call. Of course, if you would like to discuss this evening, just let me know.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">JOSHUA T. HOFHEIMER</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
Partner<br>
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</b><a href="tel:%2B1%20213%20896%206061" value="+12138966061" target="_blank">+1 213 896 6061</a><br>
<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com" title="Click to send email to Hofheimer, Joshua T." target="_blank">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 19, 2016 6:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hofheimer, Joshua T.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Client Committee; Flanagan, Sharon; Gregory, Holly; Resnick, Yael; Greeley, Amy E.; Grapsas, Rebecca<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Revised Sidley Comments -- Proposed Principal Terms of IANA Intellectual Property Agreements<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I've taken the revised comments chart sent by Sidley and added a third column with draft potential responses by the CWG. I look forward to any comments you may have.
Please let me know when you think this should be sent to the CWG stewardship list.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Hofheimer, Joshua T. <<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com" target="_blank">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear Client Committee,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Per your request on last week’s call, attached please find further remaining comments to the Proposed Principal Terms of the IANA IPR Agreements. We have removed from the table
those comments that were addressed in writing or in discussion, and have just a few outstanding points for consideration, along with suggestions of how to address some of these issues.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please let us know if you have any follow-up questions or would like to discuss further. We also are turning our attention to a review of the initial draft IPR License and Community
Agreements shared with us.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thank you,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">JOSHUA T. HOFHEIMER</span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><br>
Partner<br>
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</span><a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com" title="Click to send email to Hofheimer, Joshua T." target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">jhofheimer@sidley.com</span></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Hofheimer, Joshua T.
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 31, 2016 10:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Client Committee<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Greg Shatan; Flanagan, Sharon; Gregory, Holly; Resnick, Yael; Greeley, Amy E.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Proposed Principal Terms of IANA Intellectual Property Agreements</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Dear Client Committee,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Attached please find Sidley comments to the Proposed Principal Terms for the IPR-related Agreements, clean and marked against the draft received in the prior email on May 20. For
your convenience, we also re-attach a copy of an August 15 memo that Sidley prepared for CWG regarding IANA IPR, which is referenced in our comments.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Please let us know if you have any follow-up questions or would like to discuss further.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Best regards,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Joshua Hofheimer</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Sidley Austin LLP</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com" target="_blank">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a></span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%28213%29%20896-6061" target="_blank">(213) 896-6061</a> (LA direct)</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a href="tel:%28323%29%20708-2405" target="_blank">(323) 708-2405</a> (cell)</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Greg Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 20, 2016 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Flanagan, Sharon; Gregory, Holly; Hofheimer, Joshua T.<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Client<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Fwd: Proposed Principal Terms of IANA Intellectual Property Agreements</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Attached please find "Proposed Principal Terms for the IPR-related Agreements" for your review and comment. This has been certified by the CWG. This is currently under review by counsel for the numbers and
protocols communities. Since their review began some time ago, a prompt (but not rushed) review would be greatly appreciated. Please let us know if you have any questions regarding the attached or the note below.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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From: <b>Greg Shatan</b> <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:09 AM<br>
Subject: Proposed Principal Terms of IANA Intellectual Property Agreements<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I've attached the current draft of the Proposed Principal Terms of IANA Intellectual Property Agreements. This is the "stable" draft which has now been in existence for a few weeks. The other two communities
have passed this document on to their counsel for review and comment. The intention is to certify this document to Sidley for review and comment, assuming the CWG approves that action on today's call.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">In addition to the attached document, two subsequent suggestions were made in the coordination group that prepared this document. The intention is to pass these along to Sidley as well. The suggestions, and
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<span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#9900ff">First in the bit about the registration rules for </span><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#9900ff"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__iana.org_&d=CwMFaQ&c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&m=AVC4yUCgXaUprZ_LifbJYjApzlNDFaliVQIUU9Ipcl4&s=IDCcQA7OV9lPFKOhAjsIbfc5bmc7p2MSFFD009Hr6Zc&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">iana.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#9900ff"> and<br>
friends, the first introduction of "to prohibit updates" or whatever<br>
it is, we could add a footnote to make it clear that what we're<br>
talking about are status values in the shared registration system --<br>
clientUpdateProhibited, clientDeleteProhibited, and<br>
clientTransferProhibited. I think this is just a clarification, and<br>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">>Agree.</span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
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<span style="color:#9900ff">A more substantive suggestion came from John Levine, who suggested</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">that we specify that the CCG needs to publish at its first meeting,</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">and then update from time to time, the quorum rules and other</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">decision-making processes they use. A suggestion in the room was that</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">the rules be open to the CCG, except that quorum requires not only a</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">majority but some guarantee that at least one appointee from each of</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">the communities must be present for quorum. I think this is a good</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">principle, because it ensures openness and procedural consistency (no</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">making up rules when a decision is needed). Does anyone object? Does</span><br>
<span style="color:#9900ff">it seem reasonable?</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">>Overall, this seems sensible. On CCG procedures, we may want to have a "charter" for the group, although there may be other ways to ensure that rules are in place. As such, how we put those rules in place
should be kept general (i.e., not so specific as 'publish at its first meeting'). However, the point on quorum is one where we might want to be specific now -- this echoes discussions we've been having about quorum and decisions making in the CSC oversight
group for IANA functions. I think a majority with at least one rep from each community is a pretty reasonable "floor" for quorum requirements and one I have no trouble supporting at this point. Of course, this and many other details will get resolved when
we move from this "term sheet" stage to "definitive documentation." What's most important now is to keep moving toward that stage.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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