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Understood. Greg, you might take the lead in Part I. Does that work for you?<br>
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<div><b>From: </b><span>Jonathan Robinson &lt;<a href="mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info">jrobinson@afilias.info</a>&gt;</span></div>
<div><b>Date: </b><span>Tuesday, Jul 26, 2016, 5:56 AM</span></div>
<div><b>To: </b><span>Hofheimer, Joshua T. &lt;<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>&gt;, 'Greg Shatan' &lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;, 'Client' &lt;<a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org">cwg-client@icann.org</a>&gt;,
 Flanagan, Sharon &lt;<a href="mailto:sflanagan@sidley.com">sflanagan@sidley.com</a>&gt;, Gregory, Holly &lt;<a href="mailto:holly.gregory@sidley.com">holly.gregory@sidley.com</a>&gt;, Resnick, Yael &lt;<a href="mailto:yresnick@sidley.com">yresnick@sidley.com</a>&gt;, Grapsas,
 Rebecca &lt;<a href="mailto:rebecca.grapsas@sidley.com">rebecca.grapsas@sidley.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
<div><b>Subject: </b><span>RE: [client com] Preliminary Answers to Questions on IETF Trust, etc.</span></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Thank-you Josh,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">My expectation is that we will walk through the table and to the extent that the answers provided are complete and satisfactory, not dwell on them.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">However, to the extent that they provide some cause for concern or raises issues that ideally need to be dealt with, we should discuss them.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Talk with you in a few minutes.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Jonathan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Hofheimer, Joshua T. [mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 26 July 2016 02:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Shatan &lt;gregshatanipc@gmail.com&gt;; Client &lt;cwg-client@icann.org&gt;; Flanagan, Sharon &lt;sflanagan@sidley.com&gt;; Gregory, Holly &lt;holly.gregory@sidley.com&gt;; Resnick, Yael &lt;yresnick@sidley.com&gt;; Grapsas, Rebecca &lt;rebecca.grapsas@sidley.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [client com] Preliminary Answers to Questions on IETF Trust, etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Attached you will find a copy of the IETF Topics for Discussion with a column added to the right for Andrew Sullivan’s responses below.&nbsp; We added
 the definitions for the two defined terms, as well.&nbsp; </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Best regards,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Joshua Hofheimer</span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:9.0pt; font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Sidley Austin LLP</span></i></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,sans-serif"> Greg Shatan [<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 25, 2016 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Client; Hofheimer, Joshua T.; Flanagan, Sharon; Gregory, Holly; Resnick, Yael; Grapsas, Rebecca<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Preliminary Answers to Questions on IETF Trust, etc.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Andrew Sullivan provided some preliminary answers to the questions posted. See email below.&nbsp; I wrote back, just to clarify 2 of the acronyms that Andrew
 used but did not define or spell out, so you'll need to look below that for the answer email. &nbsp;it might be useful for someone to create a single document with each question followed by the answer (or a chart with the questions in the first column and the answers
 in the second).</span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b>Greg Shatan</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
Date: Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 6:25 PM<br>
Subject: Re: [Iana-ipr] Proposed agenda (was Re: Call next week for IANA IPR)<br>
To: Andrew Sullivan &lt;<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt;<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:iana-ipr@nro.net">iana-ipr@nro.net</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks, this is very helpful.&nbsp; Just to clarify a couple of acronyms for the perplexed, as they read this:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">IAOC</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">.&nbsp; I know that to be the IETF Administrative
 Oversight Committee, but I'm just confirming that for the sake of other readers.&nbsp; I see from the IETF website that the IAOC &quot;is responsible for the fiscal and administrative support of the IETF standards process, is housed within the Internet Society, and
 is a part of IASA.&quot; &nbsp;I see from RFC 4071 that IASA is the &quot;IETF Administrative Support Activity.&quot; RFC 4071 describes IASA as follows: &quot;The IETF Administrative Support Activity (IASA) provides the administrative structure required to support the IETF standards&nbsp;process
 and to support the IETF's technical activities.&quot; &nbsp; Both the IAD and IAOC are part of IASA.&nbsp;<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_rfc_rfc4071.txt&amp;d=CwMFaQ&amp;c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&amp;r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&amp;m=odliBQpk28IYBdD-ZBSKikJj0J5l6QQWdcOjQ4miZBE&amp;s=h-SJDUbPWA8E1PLL4UCPuLbhidUUi1ezpvT4A1aGqts&amp;e=" target="_blank">https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4071.txt</a></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">IAB</span></u><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,sans-serif; color:black">.&nbsp; I know that to be the Internet Architecture
 Board.&nbsp; The IAB website describes the IAB as follows: &quot;The Internet Architecture Board provides long-range technical direction for Internet development, ensuring the Internet continues to grow and evolve as a platform for global communication and innovation.&quot;
 &nbsp;The IAB appears to be both a committee of the IETF and performs an oversight function as well (but here I'm getting into deeper water, so I'll ask for clarification of how IAB fits.&nbsp; Since you are Chair of the IAB that should be relatively easy....).&nbsp;</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Andrew Sullivan &lt;<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">I should have noted more carefully: the &quot;to get started&quot; means that<br>
these are not definitive and haven't been reviewed by anyone else.<br>
This is based on what I know, and is subject to correction (especially<br>
by counsel).&nbsp; IANAL, YMMV, &amp;c.<br>
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On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 05:19:34PM -0400, Andrew Sullivan wrote:<br>
&gt; Hi,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here are some answers to the questions, to get started.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I.1.a.&nbsp; The IETF Trust is made up of Trustees, all of whom are also<br>
&gt; IAOC members (that's how you become a Trustee).&nbsp; There are several<br>
&gt; ways that IAOC members get appointed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The IETF Adminsitrative Director is a non-voting member the IAOC (as<br>
&gt; IAD).&nbsp; The IAD is the only person who is employed full time with<br>
&gt; direct responsibility to the IETF; the IAD is evaluated by the IAOC,<br>
&gt; though nomimally is an employee of ISOC.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The IETF Chair is a member of the IAOC _ex officio_ IETF Chair.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The IAB Chair is a member of the IAOC _ex officio_ IAB Chair.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The President and CEO of ISOC is a member of the IAOC _ex officio_<br>
&gt; ISOC President.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There is a member of the IAOC that is appointed by the Internet<br>
&gt; Engineering Steering Group (the collection of all of the Area<br>
&gt; Directors of the IETF).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There is another member of the IAOC that is appointed by the IAB.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; There is a member of the IAOC that is appointed by the ISOC Board of<br>
&gt; Trustees.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The other IAOC members (currently 2 more) are appointed by the IETF NomCom.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The Trust exists to hold certain intellectual property related to the<br>
&gt; Internet.&nbsp; Originally it was created more or less specifically to hold<br>
&gt; the IPR for things that are of relevance to the IETF, so that's why we<br>
&gt; believed it was ok to hold this IPR too on behalf of the wider<br>
&gt; Internet community.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I.1.b.&nbsp; The Trust is to maintain and defend the IPR of the IETF.&nbsp; The<br>
&gt; IETF appoints 6 of the IAOC members (and therefore 6 of the Trustees)<br>
&gt; either directly or indirectly.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I.1.c.&nbsp; ISOC is the organizational home of the IETF (because the IETF<br>
&gt; is unincorporated, actions that require an IETF contractual<br>
&gt; relationship are handled by ISOC).&nbsp; Effectively, ISOC also works as a<br>
&gt; kind of bank account -- it provides the handling of most of our money,<br>
&gt; and currently provides approximately 1/3 of the IETF annual operating<br>
&gt; budget (the other 2/3 are related to meetings.&nbsp; ISOC handles that<br>
&gt; money, but in a pass-through manner).&nbsp; Apart from the ISOC members<br>
&gt; (and therefore Trustees) that ISOC appoints, and some services that<br>
&gt; ISOC provides to the Trust (like financial statements for expenses<br>
&gt; relating to the Trust), there is no formal relationship between ISOC<br>
&gt; and the Trust.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1.d.&nbsp; I'm not sure I understand this question except as was answered<br>
&gt; in (c).&nbsp; The IAB provides advice to ISOC BoT, and since the IAB is a<br>
&gt; committee of the IETF I suppose that's another responsibility.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2.&nbsp; The community.&nbsp; The Trust reports on its activities regularly, and<br>
&gt; most of the Trust membership could be removed through appropriate<br>
&gt; recall efforts were that to be necessary.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 3.&nbsp; See (1).&nbsp; This depends in part on the appointing body.&nbsp; Most serve<br>
&gt; in renewable terms of 2 years.&nbsp; The IAB chair is an annual<br>
&gt; appointment, so that appointment could normally change every year.&nbsp; In<br>
&gt; practice it has never happened that the IAB chair changed after only a<br>
&gt; year.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 4.&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Every Trustee, when they join, is required to do this.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 5.&nbsp; Yes.&nbsp; Legal issues are documented beneath <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__iaoc.ietf.org_subpoenas.html&amp;d=CwMFaQ&amp;c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&amp;r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&amp;m=odliBQpk28IYBdD-ZBSKikJj0J5l6QQWdcOjQ4miZBE&amp;s=IS9m2tv7lcz43W6n19aSYoFDfFt9e55NJpBX9eeo_-c&amp;e=" target="_blank">
https://iaoc.ietf.org/subpoenas.html</a>.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.a.&nbsp; Either once or twice a month, depending on the quantity of business.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.b. Mostly by teleconference, but also in person at IETF meetings and<br>
&gt; at one annual retreat.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.c.&nbsp; There is an agenda, but it is not generally circulated to date.<br>
&gt; Community members can and do raise issues with the Trust which then<br>
&gt; get treated at a future meeting.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.d.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; The Trust generally deals with legal matters, and to<br>
&gt; preserve privilege the meetings are not open.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.e.&nbsp; Minutes are published at <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__trustee.ietf.org_minutes.html&amp;d=CwMFaQ&amp;c=Od00qP2XTg0tXf_H69-T2w&amp;r=PyftdYkqjEDMIx5o_kyQ1bCTTkOV655ea67oiCGUI9M&amp;m=odliBQpk28IYBdD-ZBSKikJj0J5l6QQWdcOjQ4miZBE&amp;s=wdCHbXGd6wU_VGenbNPMa3dy-0_cEyovjl3Om08rSk4&amp;e=" target="_blank">
http://trustee.ietf.org/minutes.html</a>.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; II<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1.&nbsp; The IETF has requested no compensation for this.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2.a. (i and ii) The IETF Trust pays this out of its normal operating<br>
&gt; expenses.&nbsp; Historically, the accounting was handled a little<br>
&gt; informally, with expenses not always carefully distinguished between<br>
&gt; IETF and Trust expenses.&nbsp; In anticipation of the new responsibility<br>
&gt; and the additional transparency likely to be desirable, the Trust has<br>
&gt; begun accounting its finances separately (this is recently<br>
&gt; instututed).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2.b. (i and ii) The IETF's budget is tiny.&nbsp; We're prepared to look<br>
&gt; after these expenses, but if the community decided that the Licensee<br>
&gt; should contribute some money to offset the expenses we're pretty<br>
&gt; unlikely to refuse it.&nbsp; We are not planning for it, however.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2.c. and d. (i and ii) I'd prefer to defer to Jorge on these.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 3.&nbsp; My understanding -- but we should clarify this with counsel -- is<br>
&gt; that the Trust does in fact have the authority to act unilaterally, in<br>
&gt; keeping with its duties as the owner of the Marks or domains whenever<br>
&gt; it apprehends that it must act in the interests of the maintenance of<br>
&gt; the Mark or domain name in question.&nbsp; Our intention, however, in the<br>
&gt; Community Agreement was to undertake all possible provision for acting<br>
&gt; in keeping with and subject to the relevant community's (or<br>
&gt; communities') wishes, in so far as trademark and domain name law and<br>
&gt; jurisprudence permit that.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 4.&nbsp; My understanding -- and again, this needs to be clarified with<br>
&gt; counsel -- is that a Mark holder _must_ retain that independent right,<br>
&gt; or it's not really the holder of the Mark.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 5.&nbsp; I defer to Jorge on this.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.a.&nbsp; I do not believe this is possible, because I think it would<br>
&gt; require modifications to the Trust Agreement that cannot be undertaken<br>
&gt; as a practical matter.&nbsp; If this is a requirement, then the IETF Trust<br>
&gt; can't receive the IPR, and we'll need to find another way to satisfy<br>
&gt; the requirements of the transition proposal.&nbsp; I confess I find it<br>
&gt; pretty hard to see how that is going to happen in time for the<br>
&gt; deadline.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 6.b.&nbsp; I want to consult with Jorge first, but in principle I'm not<br>
&gt; opposed to this so long as it is possible to protect the rest of the<br>
&gt; Trust's activities and so long as this does not involve the original<br>
&gt; settlors.&nbsp; If it does, I must say, then I do not believe it is possible.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 7.&nbsp; Good question.&nbsp; I note that if this happens, we have other<br>
&gt; problems (like for instance that the status of the body that produces<br>
&gt; all the protocols on the Internet is apparently &quot;in trouble&quot;), so it<br>
&gt; seems like a low-probability situation in the horizon of the<br>
&gt; transition.&nbsp; I wonder whether something in the community agreements<br>
&gt; involving post-transition negotiation over this issue would be enough<br>
&gt; to put this issue to rest before September, because this appears to<br>
&gt; create thorny questions about the supervision of the post-dissolution<br>
&gt; body that are quite similar to the same questions we'd need to answer<br>
&gt; to set up an independent trust now.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; One final note: I think it bears repeating that the Trust did not go<br>
&gt; looking for this job, but has offered to do it as a service to the<br>
&gt; community.&nbsp; I think it's important to ask how valuable the IPR we're<br>
&gt; defening is compared to the value of the transition itself.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; A<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 04:04:12PM -0400, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; All,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Here are the questions/discussion items for the IETF Trust to be covered in<br>
&gt; &gt; tomorrow's call, in Word and PDF form (somewhat confusingly, the PDF title<br>
&gt; &gt; begins with &quot;Microsoft Word&quot;...).<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Based on this email string, I would suggest the following agenda:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 1.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Q &amp; A / Discussion on the IETF Trust<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 2.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Mechanics - Process &amp; Timeline<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; a. Status of review/revision of draft agreements<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; b. Timing<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; c. Next steps<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; 3.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; AOB<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I look forward to the call.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Best regards,<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Greg<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Greg Shatan &lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I expect to have it out in 15 minutes.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Greg<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Andrew Sullivan &lt;<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 03:10:02PM -0400, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; I think you're missing the original reason that this meeting was<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; requested<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; by CWG, which was to have a call between &quot;IETF Trustees and Names reps&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; to<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; go over a number of questions/points of information that the Names reps<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; and<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; counsel would like to clarify with representatives of the IETF Trustees.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; So,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; 0)&nbsp; Issues raised by CWG?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; The difficulty, of course, is that we don't actually _have_ that list,<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; so it'll be hard to produce answers.&nbsp; Any clue how much later today?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I had some tentative plans for end-of-workday that I could just insert<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; now so I could review those issues later, but if &quot;later&quot; is &quot;20:00<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; EDT&quot; it'll probably be too late -- my body is still convinced I'm in<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Germany.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; A<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; --<br>
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