<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Andrew Sullivan response to comments.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Andrew Sullivan</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>></span><br>Date: Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 11:10 PM<br>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Revised Community Agreement Draft: 08-05-2016<br>To: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><br><br>Hi,<br>
<br>
Full disclosure: I'm a trustee and part of the group that is<br>
negotiating this agreement on behalf of the IETF Trust.<br>
<br>
I want first of all to agree in general with Greg's responses. But I<br>
also implore people to think very hard about fussing with the text<br>
from the lawyers when the CWG negotiating team brings it to you. We<br>
really only have a few days to do this. These agreements need to go<br>
out to public comment before ICANN prepares its report for NTIA. That<br>
happens Friday, so comment needs to start on Thursday. If we miss<br>
this window, then the IPR piece (which is a prerequisite for the<br>
transition) will not be complete in NTIA's evaluation, and they may<br>
decide to renew the IANA contract. In effect, we have to be done<br>
everything but document preparation on Wednesday.<br>
<br>
It would be a terrible shame if the transition fell apart on a small<br>
matter like the IPR. I believe the better thing to ask in every case<br>
is not whether something is exactly the way you would do it, but<br>
whether it is something you can live with. If the answer is, "Yes," I<br>
would encourage you to say so.<br>
<br>
Thanks and best regards,<br>
<br>
A<br>
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On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:07:17PM -0400, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
> All,<br>
><br>
> Please see my responses (in "balloon" comments) to Kavouss's comments.<br>
><br>
> Greg<br>
><br>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Dear All,<br>
> > No matter who made the changes, I am commenting on the text not on the<br>
> > author's identity.<br>
> > I have had to convert the PDF in word and have done my verifications and<br>
> > attached my comments<br>
> > There are serious problems in some of the terms.<br>
> > I have indicated all in terms of deletion with reasons and/or with<br>
> > comments in round bracket.<br>
> > Regartds<br>
> > Kavouss<br>
> ><br>
> > 2016-08-07 20:15 GMT+02:00 Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> ><br>
> >> The changes were not made by me. The changes were made by the CWG's<br>
> >> counsel and the IETF Trust's counsel working collaboratively, which came<br>
> >> after discussion of the IANA IPR collaborative group (including reps of all<br>
> >> the communities and the Trust).<br>
> >><br>
> >> I don't have the redline in Word. I sent to the list everything that was<br>
> >> initially sent by the IETF Trust's counsel to CWG's counsel to the Client<br>
> >> Committee list.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Greg<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> On Sunday, August 7, 2016, Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Dear ALL<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I HAVE no comments on the initial text before being changed<br>
> >>> Regards<br>
> >>> Kavouss<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> 2016-08-07 18:04 GMT+02:00 Kavouss Arasteh <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>>> Seun<br>
> >>>> NO<br>
> >>>> PLS DO NOT MAKE MY JOB HARD..<br>
> >>>> WHY NOT A RED MARK WORD VERSION<br>
> >>>> Regards<br>
> >>>> Kavouss<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> 2016-08-07 17:42 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>>> Hello Kavous,<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> An option could be that you look at the PDF and make your comment on<br>
> >>>>> the word version(though you can make comment on the pdf as well)<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Another option is if you (or someone) has the previous clean version<br>
> >>>>> then one can produce a redline off the two clean versions.<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Regards<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> Sent from my LG G4<br>
> >>>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>> On 7 Aug 2016 4:37 p.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >>>>> wrote:<br>
> >>>>><br>
> >>>>>> Dear Andrew,<br>
> >>>>>> Tks again for your kind reply.<br>
> >>>>>> Please send me a red mark Word Version and I Will reply today.<br>
> >>>>>> I HAVE SOME CONCERS ON SOME OF THE CHANGED MADE BY GREC<br>
> >>>>>> Regards<br>
> >>>>>> Kavouss<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>> 2016-08-07 17:28 GMT+02:00 Andrew Sullivan <<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>>:<br>
> >>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> I don't know whetheer you will get that before tomorrow, and that is<br>
> >>>>>>> really rather late. Can you at least say what your concerns are?<br>
> >>>>>>> There really isn't a lot of time: this needs to go to public comment<br>
> >>>>>>> on Thursday. An additional day to wait for the comments would be<br>
> >>>>>>> bad.<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> Best regards,<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> A<br>
> >>>>>>><br>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 05:14:50PM +0200, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>> > Seun,<br>
> >>>>>>> > I know that a word version was included but the Word Version is a<br>
> >>>>>>> clean<br>
> >>>>>>> > Text and it is difficult to identify the changes .I wish to see<br>
> >>>>>>> what was<br>
> >>>>>>> > the changes introduced by Greg<br>
> >>>>>>> > I still need the red mark text in WORD VERSION.<br>
> >>>>>>> > Regards<br>
> >>>>>>> > Kavouss<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > 2016-08-07 14:09 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >>>>>>> ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > A word version was included in Greg's mail<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Regards<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > Sent from my LG G4<br>
> >>>>>>> > > Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > > On 7 Aug 2016 10:36 a.m., "Kavouss Arasteh" <<br>
> >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >>>>>>> > > wrote:<br>
> >>>>>>> > ><br>
> >>>>>>> > >> Grec,<br>
> >>>>>>> > >> Thank you very much for the amendments. I do not agree with<br>
> >>>>>>> some of them<br>
> >>>>>>> > >> In order to enable me to provide my counter comments to you,<br>
> >>>>>>> pls provide<br>
> >>>>>>> > >> a word version of your amendment as soon as convinient<br>
> >>>>>>> > >> Regards<br>
> >>>>>>> > >> Kavouss<br>
> >>>>>>> > >><br>
> >>>>>>> > >><br>
> >>>>>>> > >> 2016-08-07 0:22 GMT+02:00 Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a><br>
> >>>>>>> >:<br>
> >>>>>>> > >><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> CWG,<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> I am forwarding a revised draft of the proposed Community<br>
> >>>>>>> Agreement<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> relating to the IANA IPR. In addition to any other comments<br>
> >>>>>>> you may have,<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> I draw your attention to the two specific items in the email<br>
> >>>>>>> below: (1)<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> identifying an entity to sign for the names community, and (2)<br>
> >>>>>>> providing a<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> brief description of the IANA Services used by the names<br>
> >>>>>>> community (<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *see* Exhibit A for descriptions provided by the other<br>
> >>>>>>> communities).<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> This will be the subject of further refinement by the IPR<br>
> >>>>>>> collaborative<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> group early in the week, with the goal of initiating a public<br>
> >>>>>>> comment<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> period as soon as possible after the CWG-IANA meeting on<br>
> >>>>>>> Thursday.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Greg<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> From: Hofheimer, Joshua T. <<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Date: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 4:55 PM<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Subject: [client com] FW: Revised Community Agreement Draft:<br>
> >>>>>>> 08-05-2016<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> To: Client <<a href="mailto:cwg-client@icann.org">cwg-client@icann.org</a>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Dear Client Committee,<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Attached please find a revised draft of the proposed Community<br>
> >>>>>>> Agreement<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> for your review and comment. This is an iterative version<br>
> >>>>>>> prepared jointly<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> by counsel (Sidley) to the CWG and counsel to the IETF Trust<br>
> >>>>>>> to reflect the<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> 7-point discussion items. To be clear, it is still a work in<br>
> >>>>>>> progress, but<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> we believe ready for the CWG to have an opportunity for review.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Two important issues to highlight:<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> 1) the Names Community needs to determine who will be the<br>
> >>>>>>> signatory<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> party, acting on behalf of the Names Community, to the<br>
> >>>>>>> Community<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Agreement. For your information, the attached draft has the<br>
> >>>>>>> organizations<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> put forward to represent the Numbers and Protocols<br>
> >>>>>>> Communities; and<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> 2) we need a brief description of the IANA services to be<br>
> >>>>>>> provided on<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> behalf of the Names Community. The following high-level<br>
> >>>>>>> description was<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> included in a draft of the Naming Functions Agreement. If<br>
> >>>>>>> this is<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> acceptable for including here is well, please advise (or we<br>
> >>>>>>> ask the Client<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Committee to provide a sufficient description):<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> The “*IANA Naming Function*” is comprised of:<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> (a) Management of the DNS Root Zone (“*Root Zone<br>
> >>>>>>> Management*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> ”);<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> (b) Management of the .INT top-level domain;<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> (c) Maintenance of a repository of<br>
> >>>>>>> internationalized<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> domain name tables and label generation rule sets; and<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> (d) Provision of other services related to the<br>
> >>>>>>> management<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> of .INT top-level domains, at ICANN’s reasonable request and<br>
> >>>>>>> at ICANN’s<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> expense.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Please provide any comment or feedback as soon as practical,<br>
> >>>>>>> as we are<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> trying to finalize the draft for approval by the various<br>
> >>>>>>> stakeholders and<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> release for public comment by Thursday.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Thank you in advance.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Cheers,<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Josh<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *Joshua Hofheimer*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *Sidley Austin LLP*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a> <<a href="mailto:jhofheimer@sidley.com">jhofheimer@sidley.com</a>>*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *<a href="tel:%28213%29%20896-6061" value="+12138966061">(213) 896-6061</a> <%28213%29%20896-6061> (LA direct)*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *<a href="tel:%28650%29%20565-7561" value="+16505657561">(650) 565-7561</a> <%28650%29%20565-7561> (Palo Alto direct)*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *<a href="tel:%28323%29%20708-2405" value="+13237082405">(323) 708-2405</a> <%28323%29%20708-2405> (cell)*<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *From:* <a href="mailto:iana-ipr-bounces@nro.net">iana-ipr-bounces@nro.net</a> [mailto:<br>
> >>>>>>> <a href="mailto:iana-ipr-bounces@nro.net">iana-ipr-bounces@nro.net</a>] *On<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Behalf Of *Jorge Contreras<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 10:01 AM<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *To:* <a href="mailto:iana-ipr@nro.net">iana-ipr@nro.net</a><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> *Subject:* [Iana-ipr] Revised Community Agreement Draft:<br>
> >>>>>>> 08-05-2016<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> All – attached is a draft of the Community Agreement that Josh<br>
> >>>>>>> and I<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> have collaborated on over the past two days. We believe that<br>
> >>>>>>> it reflects<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> the current requirements of the parties, and submit it for<br>
> >>>>>>> your review and<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> discussion.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> A clean version, as well as a marked version against the draft<br>
> >>>>>>> of<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> 07-30-16 (in PDF format) are attached.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Please note a few items that still need to be completed,<br>
> >>>>>>> including the<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> description of the IANA Names Service, the identities of the<br>
> >>>>>>> CCG<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> representatives, etc.<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Best regards,<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Jorge<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Jorge L. Contreras<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Contreras Legal Strategy LLC<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> 1711 Massachusetts Ave. NW, No. 710<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> Washington, DC 20036<br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>> <a href="mailto:contreraslegal@att.net">contreraslegal@att.net</a><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
> >>>>>>> > >>><br>
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