<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">My comments re-sent with an additional note. (thread and attachments deleted for convenience)</div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Greg Shatan</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 12:31 PM<br>Subject: Fwd: FW: Revised Community Agreement Draft: 08-05-2016<br>To: &quot;<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>&gt;<br><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I am re-sending these responses to Kavouss&#39;s comments to the list with two notes:</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1.  The use of &quot;unanimous&quot; in the preamble was discussed. The reason for this use is to make it clear that the RIRs must act unanimously as the &quot;numbers community&quot; &quot;party&quot; to the agreement.  This is language the numbers community feels comfortable with, and it apparently tracks language used in the IANA numbers MoU (but I haven&#39;t checked). This verbiage may change as other alternatives are considered, but the concept remains the same.</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2.  In response to the comment on Section 6.5 regarding &quot;joint and several liability,&quot; in which Kavouss commented that &quot;joint cannot be associated with several.&quot;  &quot;Joint and several liability&quot; is a fundamental legal concept and well-understood term, at least under U.S. law.  Here is a definition from the Cornell Legal Information Institute <a href="https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/joint_and_several_liability" target="_blank">https://www.law.cornell.edu/<wbr>wex/joint_and_several_<wbr>liability</a>  (one of many available on the web):</div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><h1 style="margin:3px 0px 10px;font-size:24px;font-family:Verdana,&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;line-height:1.1;color:rgb(179,27,27);clear:both">Joint and Several Liability</h1><div style="min-height:1px;padding-right:15px;padding-left:15px;float:left;width:1219.33px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Verdana,&#39;Helvetica Neue&#39;,Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;line-height:24px"><article style="zoom:1"><header></header><div><div><div><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px">When two or more parties are <em>jointly and severally liable</em> for a tortious act, each party is independently liable for the full extent of the injuries stemming from the tortious act. Thus, if a <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff" title="reference on plaintiff" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">plaintiff</a> wins a money judgment against the parties collectively, the <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff" title="reference on plaintiff" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">plaintiff</a> may collect the full value of the judgment from any one of them. That party may then seek <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/contribution" title="reference on contribution" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">contribution</a> from the other wrong-doers.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px">For example suppose that A, B, and C <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/negligence" title="reference on negligently" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">negligently</a> injure V. V successfully sues A, B, and C, for $1,000,000. If the court used a joint and several liability system, V could demand that A pay V the full $1,000,000. A could them demand <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/contribution" title="reference on contribution" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">contribution</a> from B and C. However, if B or C could not pay, A would be stuck paying the full $1,000,000.</p><p style="margin:0px 0px 10px">Joint and several liability reduces <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff" title="reference on plaintiffs&#39;" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">plaintiffs&#39;</a> risk that one or more <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant" title="reference on defendants" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">defendants</a> are <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/judgment-proof" title="reference on judgment-proof" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">judgment-<wbr>proof</a> by shifting that risk onto the other <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant" title="reference on defendants" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">defendants</a>. Only if all <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant" title="reference on defendants" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">defendants</a> are <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/judgment-proof" title="reference on judgment-proof" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">judgment-<wbr>proof</a> will a <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/plaintiff" title="reference on plaintiff" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">plaintiff</a> be unable to recover anything. However, this system can cause inequities, particularly where a relatively blameless <a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant" title="reference on defendant" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">defendant</a> is forced to bear the financial burden of an incredibly guilty co-<a href="http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/defendant" title="reference on defendant&#39;s" style="color:rgb(6,53,122);text-decoration:none;background:0px 0px" target="_blank">defendant&#39;s</a> insolvency.</p></div></div></div></article></div></div><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Greg Shatan</b> <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>Date: Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 6:07 PM<br>Subject: Re: FW: Revised Community Agreement Draft: 08-05-2016<br>To: Kavouss Arasteh &lt;<a href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Seun Ojedeji &lt;<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>&gt;, Andrew Sullivan &lt;<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>&gt;<br><br><br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid"><div><div><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div>
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