[CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of charter for review
Tijani BEN JEMAA
tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn
Wed Aug 13 09:25:58 UTC 2014
Thank you Chuck for your mail.
Yes, I understand perfectly the process of finding a consensus. The main
point mentioned by Marika (thank you Marika) is that the sought consensus is
among groups and not individuals. So if the chair will look for a consensus
between the groups, there is no risk of capture (my concern).
It is the case for the GNSO WGs according to Marika, but it is not written
anywhere; that’s why I raised the point. And since there is the same
understanding among the whole group, no more problem for me.
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De : Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
Envoyé : mardi 12 août 2014 19:53
À : tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn; 'Duchesneau, Stephanie'; 'Allan
MacGillivray'; 'Julie Hammer'
Cc : CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Objet : RE: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Tijani,
Keep in mind that the goal of a WG is to identify differences and then work
toward solutions where the differences are minimized enough so that most
everyone can support the solutions even though it might not be all that they
wanted. Once solutions are identified, it is important to determine whether
the differences are minimized enough that most individuals and groups
participating in the WG will support specific elements of a proposal.
Polling works fine for this. And as Marika explained, it is not a matter of
counting hands because that would be too easy for a group to capture, which
I think is your concern. But it is possible for a chair or chairs in
cooperation with the full group to make an assessment whether or not there
is significant opposition to a recommendation and whether more work should
be done to refine the recommendation further or whether a point has been
reached where additional work may be unproductive. The fact that 10 people
from one group have one opinion that they all support while five individuals
for separate groups support a different position doesn’t mean that the 10
people win. The bigger picture must be looked at in the context of the
whole community.
Chuck
From: Tijani BEN JEMAA [mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn]
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2014 5:04 AM
To: 'Duchesneau, Stephanie'; Gomes, Chuck; 'Allan MacGillivray'; 'Julie
Hammer'
Cc: CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: RE: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Chuck and all,
You mentioned in the yesterday call that the number of members per group
wouldn’t matter since no formal vote will be used for decision making. I’m
afraid I don’t agree since the consensus (used for decision making) will be
affected by the number of member per group. Suppose we are 5 ALAC members
with 7 GNSO members on a WG where there are only ALAC and GNSO as chartering
organizations (total WG members=12). When we have to decide by consensus,
the chair can feel there is a consensus if 7 GNSO members agree and 4 or 3
ALAC members disagree. But if there are as many members from ALAC as from
GNSO, the consensus will be different.
The only case where the number doesn’t matter is a decision by full
consensus.
Nevertheless, I agree with you insisting on avoiding any vote to make a
decision by the CWG.
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Tijani BEN JEMAA
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Phone: + 216 41 649 605
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De : cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
[mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] De la part de Duchesneau,
Stephanie
Envoyé : lundi 11 août 2014 22:28
À : 'Gomes, Chuck'; 'Allan MacGillivray'; Julie Hammer
Cc : CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Objet : Re: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Hi Chuck,
Would the following better address your concerns:
In appointing their members, the chartering organizations should note that
the CWG’s decision-making methodologies require that CWG members act by
consensus, and that polling will only be used in rare instances and with the
recognition that such polls do not constitute votes.
Stephanie Duchesneau
Neustar, Inc. / Public Policy Manager
1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, 4th Floor, Washington, DC 20006
Office: +1.202.533.2623 Mobile: +1.703.731.2040 Fax: +1.202.533.2623 /
<http://www.neustar.biz/> www.neustar.biz
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From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Duchesneau, Stephanie; 'Allan MacGillivray'; Julie Hammer
Cc: CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: RE: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Thanks Stephanie. The minor edits looks okay to me.
With regard to the sentence you crafted below, I personally prefer it if we
directly include a description of what we want them to see rather than
making a reference to because I suspect that some people will not take the
time to go to the reference. If we do it as you suggest, I suggest we
specifically refer to the section in the charter that contains what we want
them to review. What do others think?
Chuck
From: Duchesneau, Stephanie [mailto:Stephanie.Duchesneau at neustar.us]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 11:42 AM
To: 'Allan MacGillivray'; Julie Hammer; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: RE: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Added the following to language regarding Membership criteria:
In appointing members the CWG, the chartering organizations should note the
CWG’s decision-making methodologies with respect to consensus calls and
polling.
Have made a few other minor edits throughout reflected in the attached,
which I believe are non-substantive/reflective of previous group discussion.
Stephanie
Stephanie Duchesneau
Neustar, Inc. / Public Policy Manager
1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, 4th Floor, Washington, DC 20006
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[mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Allan
MacGillivray
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 11:04 AM
To: Julie Hammer; Gomes, Chuck
Cc: CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
I am also comfortable with this wording. Thanks Chuck.
From: Julie Hammer [mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com]
Sent: August-11-14 11:03 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: Allan MacGillivray; CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Hi Chuck,
I think this is better wording and am happy with this. Many thanks.
Cheers, Julie
On 12 Aug 2014, at 12:53 am, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
Thanks Allan. Now I know what the intent was. Would the following work:
“That proposal may include alternativeoptions for specific features within
it, provided that each option carries comparable support from the CWG. ”
Chuck
From: Allan MacGillivray [mailto:allan.macgillivray at cira.ca]
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2014 10:44 AM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Julie Hammer; CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: RE: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Chuck – I worked on this with Julie. The objective here was to give the CWG
the flexibility of providing more than one option, but not the flexibility
to provide dissenting opinions, that is options on which there is no
consensus e.g. ‘we are happy with any of these options because we have
achieved the same level of consensus on all of them’.
Allan
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Sent: August-11-14 10:40 AM
To: Julie Hammer; <mailto:CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org>
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Subject: Re: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Importance: High
Thanks Julie. The second sentence isn’t clear to me. If I had to explain
what it means to others, I don’t think I could do that. Can you possibly
tweak it some? What do you mean by ‘specific features’? What kind of
features? Maybe some examples would help. Also, what does ‘the same level
of consensus’ mean? Same level of consensus as what? Do you simply mean
‘each option has consensus support of the group’?
Chuck
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mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Julie Hammer
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Subject: Re: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of
charter for review
Hi Everyone,
I propose that the first sentence in the section titled 'Goals and
Objectives' be amended to read:
The primary goal of the Cross Community Working Group to Develop an IANA
Stewardship Transition Proposal (CWG) will be to produce a consolidated
transition proposal for the elements of the IANA Functions relating to the
Domain Name System. That proposal may include options for specific features
within it, provided that each option carries the same level of consensus
from the CWG.
Cheers, Julie
On 11 Aug 2014, at 6:44 pm, Jonathan Robinson <
<mailto:jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com> jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com> wrote:
Thanks Marika and CWG Colleagues,
The agenda below is the one I expect we will now follow.
As proposed a little over a week ago and also below, I think the realistic
way to work through the charter in the time allocated for the call is to
seek objections to / concerns with the current wording.
To the extent that members are OK with the wording, we’ll take that as read.
Many thanks to those who have contributed to getting this in such good shape
over a relatively short time,
Talk with you all at 13h00 UTC.
Jonathan
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mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika Konings
Sent: 08 August 2014 12:22
To: <mailto:CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org> CWG-DT-Stewardship at icann.org
Subject: [CWG-DT-Stewardship] Proposed Agenda and latest version of charter
for review
Dear All,
Please find below the proposed agenda for Monday's DT meeting, subject to
revisions by the co-chairs and input from the DT. Having discussed this with
Jonathan, we would like to encourage you to identify any other items beyond
those listed in agenda item 2 that in your view need to be further discussed
by the DT – we will operate under the assumption that apart from those items
already identified and additional items that may get flagged prior to the
meeting, the current language / proposed edits as in the latest version of
the charter as attached are acceptable by all and do not need further
discussion.
Please note that in the attached version (based on the version that Julie
sent earlier today), I've added some proposed wording to the 'additional
resources required' section to highlight that this is something the CWG
should preferably focus on at an early stage as it is unlikely that the DT
at this point in time will be in a position to identify what additional
resources the CWG may need.
If you have any comments and/or questions, please share those with the list.
Best regards,
Marika
Proposed Agenda – DT Meeting – Monday 11 August at 13.00 UTC
1. Welcome & roll call
2. Draft Charter - Review open items (membership, no consensus,
additional resources – DT members to identify which other sections / items
need further review ahead of the meeting)
3. Confirm deadline for final edits / comments with aim to have DT
Chairs submit charter to all SO/ACs by 14 August at the latest for
consideration
4. Any next steps for the DT while SO/ACs consider the charter for
approval?
5. AOB
6. Closure
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