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<div class="WordSection1"><font color="#ff6600"><br>
This has become a colorful document.</font> <font
color="#ff6600"><br>
My comments are interspersed.</font><br>
<font color="#ff6600">avri</font><br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My comments <span style="color:#D357FE">in
purple </span>below are based on the following premise:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The Charter should cover exactly WHAT has
to be achieved and only specify HOW it is to be achieved where
this is deemed absolutely necessary. The more specific the
Charter is about the HOW, the more restrictions we place on
the CWG to achieve its outcomes. The CWG should be allowed
some flexibility to decide its own work processes to suit its
members, and also to negotiate and agree its interactions with
the ICG.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks so much to Chuck for kicking off
this discussion in such a helpful way. I have responded with
some comments and views below, but I am also planning to go
through the document in greater detail in the next day or so
to look at language and consistency of terminology. If I have
any further suggestions in that regard, I will send on to the
whole group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers, Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 5 Aug 2014, at 7:42 am, Gomes, Chuck
<<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
Marika. </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">All:
Please see my comments below.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a
href="mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple">cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a
href="mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple">mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Marika
Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
August 04, 2014 10:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Jonathan
Robinson; Grace Abuhamad;<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:cwg-dt-stewardship@icann.org"><span
style="color:purple">cwg-dt-stewardship@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[CWG-DT-Stewardship] Latest Version of Charter and
Notes from Meeting</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:13.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Dear
All,</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As
per Jonathan's email, please find attached a clean
and redline version in which we've incorporated the
different sections discussed on the mailing list
(please let us know if we've missed anything). Also
included are some suggested edits to address the
comments in relation to the definition of
participants / observers / members. Furthermore,
I've updated the definition of divergence in section
IV which inadvertently seemed to have the definition
of consensus. </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To
facilitate the mailing list conversation ahead of
the next meeting, we would like to propose that,
similar to last week, volunteers come forward to
propose specific language to address some of the
remaining comments / issues and share their
proposals with the mailing list. Looking through the
latest version, we've identified the following
issues:</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l8 level1 lfo1"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should
additional language be included to encourage / allow
for participation of new stakeholders? (comments #1,
5, 6R5)<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] I think it is very important for us to
include such language. This was a concern that
came out of the Netmundial meeting and already
there have been questions asked by stakeholders
not involved in ICANN how they can participate,
not just in naming IANA issues but also IETF,
etc. If this is not addressed in the charter and
ultimately by the CWG, there is a risk that some
will question the validity of the process after we
are finished. How about the following:</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">Procedures
and processes for involving participation of
stakeholders who are not yet involved in ICANN groups
involved in the CWG:</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="color:#00B050">a.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">As soon as a draft charter is
approved by the DT for distribution to the chartering
organizations for their approval, the chairs of the DT
should send a request</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:75.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-75.0pt"><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">i.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">To the chartering organization
stakeholder groups, constituencies and other
participants requesting that they develop and
implement a plan to open their processes to
stakeholders who are not yet a part of ICANN processes
as applicable and to provide their plan to their
respective chartering organization not later than 30
September 2014</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="margin-left:75.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-75.0pt"><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">ii.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">To organizations that are not
directly a part of the ICANN structure such as ISOC,
1Net and any others that may be able to reach
stakeholders that may not be a part of ICANN processes
that they consider serving as a channel for such
stakeholders to provide input to the CWG and to define
their procedures for doing that and communicate those
to the co-chairs of the DT not later than 30 September
2014.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="color:#00B050">b.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">Not later than 7 October 2014,</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:75.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-75.0pt"><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">i.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">The chartering organizations
should submit the results of a.i above to the CWG</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:75.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-75.0pt"><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">ii.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">The DT co-chairs should submit
the results of a.ii above to the CWG</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="color:#00B050">c.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">Not later than 14 October 2014,
staff supporting the CWG should incorporate the
results received above into the draft work plan.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="color:#00B050">d.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">The CWG should edit and approve
this part of the work plan not later than 31 October
2014.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="color:#00B050">e.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#00B050"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B050">A communication describing the
procedures for stakeholders that are not a part of
ICANN processes to contribute to the CWG should be
prepared and distributed as widely as possible not
later than 7 November 2014.”</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] My personal feeling is that we should not
include any of this detail (a. - e.) in the Charter.
First, the Charter should not include anything about
processes to do with the DT, only with the CWG itself.
Second, as I said in my email opening comment, we
should leave it to the CWG to determine how they want
to achieve this. Perhaps though, to add the emphasis
that Chuck is seeking, the wording could be beefed up
as follows:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style="margin-left:39.0pt">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B050">"Procedures
and processes for
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0">involving
to the maximum extent possible participation of
stakeholders who are not yet involved in ICANN groups
involved in the CWG."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0">[Chuck
Gomes] I agree with your premise but I am
concerned that if we wait for the CWG to deal with
this, we will have lost a lot of time and the
procedures for participation by those outside of
ICANN will not be facilitated until well after the
start of the CWG. I think everything should be
done as soon as possible to allow for their
participation as early as possible in the CWG.
Maybe these steps could be handled in advance but
not be part of the charter.<br>
</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] I think I fall somewhere
between the two PoVs.</font><font color="#ff6600"> I
recommend adding the points that Chuck made in his (<font
color="#33cc00">a.</font>), but as suggestions for
voluntary actions they might take and append it to
the<font color="#cc33cc"> paragrapgh</font>
contributed by Julie</font><br>
<br>
<b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"></span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should
further guidance be included on how the ICG is
expected to liaise with the CWG? (comment #3)<br>
<br>
<span style="color:#1F497D">
</span></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] One way to approach this would be for the
DT chairs to consult with the CWG chairs and
jointly develop language in this regard for the
charter.</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] My answer to this question is "No". Again, I
think this needs to be left to the CWG to determine in
conjunction with the ICG. <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ffcc33"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] i think it worth stating
that they need to liaise with the ICG. I think it
also reasonable to suggest that ICG be informed of
all meetings so they can particpate if they wish. I
would also think that they could be subscribed to
the lists is hey wish. I think it good to set this
out and not have the CWG start with process stuff.</font></font><br>
<br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should
a target deadline be included in the charter for the
deliverables in the charter or should this be left up
to the CWG to determine? (comment #4)<br>
<b><i><span style="color:#1F497D">[Chuck Gomes]</span></i></b></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] I personally think that the CWG should
develop its own target deadlines but should do so
in coordination with the
<s>CWG</s> </span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#D357FE">ICG</span></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">.</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] Agree, leave this to the CWG.<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ff6600"><br>
[avri] Yes, but. There should be a published set of
milestone. So they should be asked to produce this
schedule and to keep it updated. they should also be
asked to report the milestones and any change in the
milestone to the chartering groups.</font><br>
<br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In
relation to the sentence "Understand the views and
concerns of other participants in the chartering
organisation that appoints them" in section III,
several comments have been made (#7 – 12). How should
this sentence be updated to address the comments made?<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] How about something like this: “Solicit
and communicate the views and concerns of
</span></i></b><b><i><s><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">participants
in
</span></s></i></b><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">the
organization that appoints them.”</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] I suggest deleting the words 'participants in'
here and simply state "Solicit and communicate the
views and concerns of the organization that appoints
them." I don't think it is the responsibility of CWG
members to present the views of individuals within
organizations, unless those views are
validated/endorsed by that organization. Should
individuals have a strong view that differs from that
of their organization, then they can provide that view
directly to the CWG as an 'observer', or they can
provide a written submission to the CWG or the ICG.
However, I am not advocating that we include such
wording in the Charter.<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0">[Chuck
Gomes] It is a well established principle in the
GNSO that minority view points should be
communicated. If they are individual views, that
should be stated.<br>
</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] i support Chuck's original
formulation. while the particpants can express their
own views, they should also be connectors for others
from their repsective groups and make sure that all
views have been considered. So if a chartering
organization is split, and even if there arre just a
few diffeent opinions, the most important thing is
that they be considered. the members should bring
these views in it they know them.</font><br>
<br>
<b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"></span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo5"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Definition
of consensus – it was suggested (comment #14) that a
definition of minority should be included or
alternatively use the definition 'a position that is
supported by at least a supermajority of members'. Is
there support for this change or are there other
suggestions?<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] Using a term like ‘supermajority’ causes a
need for voting, which in turn makes it necessary
to define how votes will be counted fairly across
all the different interest groups and individuals
as applicable. It would take a large amount of
time to do that, assuming that we could even reach
agreement on it. I like the definitions provided
by Tijani for full consensus and consensus. I see
no need for defining divergence; it would be the
absence of consensus.</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] I agree with Chuck's views and with using
Tijani's definitions.<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] agree<br>
<br>
</font><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l6 level1 lfo6"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Assessing
consensus and use of vote/poll (comments #15, 16 and
17) – if the DT would like to make reference to the
possibility of using polls, you may want to consider
including language similar to what is currently in the
GNSO WG Guidelines, for example: In a rare case, the
chair(s) may decide that the use of a poll is
reasonable to assess the level of support for a
recommendation. However, care should be taking in
using polls that they do not become votes as there are
often disagreements about the meanings of the poll
questions or of the poll results. Would there be
support for including a reference to the use of polls,
and if so, would the proposed language work or are
there other suggestions?<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] I support using the GNSO language or
something similar.</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] I agree. <br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] agree but am fine with
other ways of declaring consensus.<br>
<br>
</font><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo7"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Who/how
is the final report and possible additional documents
(following adoption) submitted to the ICG – should
further clarification be added (comment #20, 21)<br>
<br>
</span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] I think it is fine for the chairs to submit
both provisional and final reports to the ICG
chairs after approval is confirmed from the
chartering organizations.</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] I note that the term 'provisional report' was
used by Stephanie in a comment, but as far as I can
see, we have not used that term at all in the draft
Charter, only Final and Supplemental Papers. However,
in relation to the question, I agree with Chuck that
the Charter should state that these documents are also
submitted to the ICG.<br>
<br>
<br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] i think there shuld be a
privisional or draft report.</font><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="8" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo8"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Closure
of the WG – what additional language should be added
to address comments #22 and 23?<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] How about something like this? “</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>the<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>event<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>that<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span><span
style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">no</span><span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span><span
style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">consensus</span><span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>is<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>reached<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>by<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>the<span
class="apple-converted-space"><span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span></span><span
style="color:#00B0F0;letter-spacing:-.1pt">C</span>WG,<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>the<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>Final<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>Report<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>will<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>document<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>the<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>process<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>that<span
style="letter-spacing:1.3pt"> </span>was<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span><span
style="letter-spacing:-.05pt">followed</span><span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>and<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>will<span
style="letter-spacing:-.05pt"> </span>be<span
style="letter-spacing:-.15pt"> </span>submitted<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>tothe<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>chartering
organizations<span style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>to<span
style="letter-spacing:-.1pt"> </span>request<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>possible
suggestions for mitigating the issues that are
preventing consensus. If consensus can still not be
reached, the Final Report will document the processes
followed, including requesting suggestions for
mitigating the issues that are preventing consensus
from the chartering organizations and will be
submitted to ICG for their suggestions for mitigating
the issues that are preventing consensus. If
consensus can still not be reached, request for
closing the CWG should be made to the chartering
organizations.” (I am not terribly comfortable with
this but I like it better than simply going straight
to closing the CWG.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">[Julie
Hammer] I agree with Chuck that this is somewhat
awkward and will mull it over and try to come up
with an alternative for us to consider.<br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#ff6600"><br>
[avri] i think: the CWG charter will remian in
effect until either the work of the ICG and the IANA
Stewardhsip Transiton is done is done or until the
chartering organization remove their support*</font><font
color="#ff6600">If the CWG reaches a situation where
it can no longer work effectively, it should notifiy
the chartering organization and request advice.</font><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">* note until there is more than
1 SOAC having approved the charter, the group cannot
start its work, once there is only 1 SOAC left in
the CWG, it can be considered closed.</font><br>
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If
there are any additional issues that need to be
addressed, please share those with the mailing list.
Also, if you would like to volunteer to address one
or more of these issues, please let the mailing list
know. Based on the feedback / suggestions provided,
staff can try to hold the pen and incorporate any
language that has the support of the DT in the next
iteration of the draft which will hopefully will get
us close to a final version by our next meeting
which has been scheduled for next Monday 11 August.</span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">[Chuck
Gomes] Here are some additional issues that I
think need to be addressed by the full DT:<br>
<br>
</span></i></b><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:.5in">
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4
level1 lfo9">
<!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should
individuals be allowed to participate directly in
the CWG or only as part of a participating group? I
favor the latter for efficiency reasons and to
simplify determination of consensus as long as
representatives from the various groups are required
to communicate minority positions from their
groups. If personal views are shared, that should
be made clear.
<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">Chuck,
my thinking is that 'individual participating
directly in the CWG' = 'observer'. I think that
reps from various groups should NOT be required to
communicate minority positions from their group,
unless the group requires them to do so. I general,
I would only see reps presenting the endorsed views
of their organization. If individuals within that
organization have other views that their
organization does not endorse or wish to have
presented from the organization, then those
individuals can submit their views directly to the
CWG as an 'observer', or they can provide a written
submission to the CWG or the ICG (see my discussion
at 4. above).<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0">[Chuck
Gomes] I think that would be fine as long as
there is opportunity to submit them.<br>
</span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] i think reps should
particpate in the manner their chartering
organization demands. As I indicated above, i see
them as connectors. what matter most is that all
issues get consideration and bring forward minority
postion iis one way to guarantee that aas many
points of view as possible are considered</font>.<br>
<b><i><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"></span></i></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#00B0F0"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:.5in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Should
observers be allowed to contribute directly in CWG
deliberations or only literally as just listen-only
observers. In the latter case, it may be just as
well if they listen to the recordings and/or read
transcripts. </span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">I
thought when we discussed this that our thinking was
that observers could contribute their views but
would not be included in assessing any consensus. <br>
<br>
<br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] yes, full particpation
except for consensus calls.</font><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:.5in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">3.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
subgroups are used, would a maximum of 5
participants per group in the CWG make it impossible
to have geographic diversity in subgroups?
</span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"> Comment:
I am hoping that sub-groups will not ever be
required. SSAC is a small group and will probably
struggle to find the minimum of 2 reps to
participate in the CWG. <br>
<br>
<br>
<font color="#ff6600">[avri] we should avoid small
groups except in the case of adhoc groupings of
few people working together to put together the
first draft of something</font><br>
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><br>
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3"></span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style="margin-left:.5in">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">4.</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D"> <span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If
the GNSO is limited to a maximum of 5
representatives in the CWG, that would not cover all
of its SGs and constituencies. If the ccNSO is
limited to a maximum of 5 representatives, that
would only allow one per geographic region and
possibly no-one from ccTLDs that are not members of
the ccNSO? Should the maximum of 5 be
reconsidered? </span><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#BE38F3">Because
this will not affect SSAC directly (see comment
above), I think it is up to other SO/ACs to decide
on this. My only general remark is that whatever
the size of the group, it needs to be people who are
actually going to DO the work, not just have their
names listed. I will also bow to others' experience
on the productivity of a very large group.<br>
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<font color="#ff6600">[avri] 7 is a trending number,
how about min=2 max=7</font><br>
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