[CWG-RFP3] Is there is a more suitable legal jurisdiction for anIANA subsidiary?

[Burr, Becky]

Several independent review panels have held that ICANN is subject to international law.



Becky Burr
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On Nov 5, 2014, at 03:50, Dwi Elfrida Martina <dwi.elfrida at gmail.com<mailto:dwi.elfrida at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

my name is Dwi Elfrida, I am from Indonesia. in respond to optioned 2 from Robert, and thanks to bring the jurisdiction issue up, in my opinion to tie up IANA legal status to ICANN's legal status might a faster way to reach IANA's legislation. But, it wouldn't be solution for many parties who questioned IANA's independency from the US government authority, as I know, for some parties the good news (main spirit)  of  transition of IANA stewardship is to internationalized IANA, means to dismiss the image of single authority of the US government over IANA. Meanwhile, some parties are still debated the ICANN's legislation that cannot be counted as International law, as all cases of TLD (mostly gTLD) will be processed in the US by using the US law. Therefore, the government of France (at ICANN meeting in London) was still calling the issue of making ICANN as International organization legalized by International law. And this idea seems like supported by some governments in Europe, and other part of this world. Indeed, placing IANA's functions and office from the US to other part of this world, is not the solution as well, because it is not the matter or territory, but the matter of legislation system, which law that suitable enough to validate IANA? do we agree to use the US legislation system like has been used by the ICANN, or do we agree to use International law, then how will we make it happen? Our choice on IANA's legislation system will determine the law enforcement of IANA's policies in the future.

Regards,

Dwi

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
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All:

Here is Robert's second question (which I think also applies to the concept of a fully independent IANA):

For  option #2.

- Is there is a  jurisdiction that ICANN has (or can obtain) legal status might be more suitable to use to create IANA as a subsidiary. Such an option might allow for the link to be a subsidiary of ICANN, but sever the legal link to the US. A negative, of course, would be moving the function and existing staff to a new part of the world.

Comments and discussion?

Greg

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