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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Jordan, All,<br>
      While I tend to agree that it would not be a good idea to separate
      the jurisdictions of ICANN and IANA, I would like to have
      evidence-based arguments in favour of a California -based
      jurisdiction. I am not a lawyer, nor an expert in international
      legislation, but I would like to know: <br>
      a) What are the specific safeguards that California provides with
      respect to other States in the US for an international non-profit
      such as ICANN? <br>
      b) Are there specific benefits in having an international
      non-profit organization based under a regime within a Federal
      system - with its own state judiciaries, rather than a united
      national jurisdiction? <br>
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      I think that it is precisely by pointing at evidence and facts
      that the whole issue around the ICANN - IANA jurisdiction might
      become less politicized.<br>
      Thanks.<br>
      Best regards,<br>
      Carolina<br>
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      On 04/11/2014 06:15 a.m., Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">All:
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        <div>My view *at this stage* is that there are clear advantages
          to California jurisdiction that other less transparent regimes
          would find hard to match. If there was to be an IANA
          subsidiary company wholly owned by ICANN (a viable option),
          then it would make sense for it to be in the same
          jurisdiction.</div>
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        <div>I don't want to see ICANN or IANA pretending to become IGOs
          and retreating to the secrecy of Swiss law or anything like
          that, personally.</div>
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        <div>That said, I am aware of many criticisms of how ICANN has
          used the "California law" card as a way to get out of things.
          The truth of those is beyond my experience, but I wonder how
          often the courts of California have decided those issues,
          rather than assertions by ICANN legal?  My suspicion is the
          courts haven't played much of a role - or in other words, that
          it may not be the California jurisdiction that's the problem
          so much as how it is being interpreted...</div>
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        <div>best,</div>
        <div>Jordan</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">On 4 November 2014 05:33, Greg
              Shatan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
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                <div dir="ltr">All:
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                  <div>Here is Robert's second question (which I think
                    also applies to the concept of a fully independent
                    IANA): </div>
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                  <div><b><font color="#0000ff">For  option #2.<br>
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                        - Is there is a  jurisdiction that ICANN has (or
                        can obtain) legal status might be more suitable
                        to use to create IANA as a subsidiary. Such an
                        option might allow for the link to be a
                        subsidiary of ICANN, but sever the legal link to
                        the US. A negative, of course, would be moving
                        the function and existing staff to a new part of
                        the world.</font></b><br>
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                  <div>Comments and discussion?</div>
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                      <div>Greg</div>
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              <div dir="ltr">Jordan Carter<br>
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