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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Jordan, All,<br>
While I tend to agree that it would not be a good idea to separate
the jurisdictions of ICANN and IANA, I would like to have
evidence-based arguments in favour of a California -based
jurisdiction. I am not a lawyer, nor an expert in international
legislation, but I would like to know: <br>
a) What are the specific safeguards that California provides with
respect to other States in the US for an international non-profit
such as ICANN? <br>
b) Are there specific benefits in having an international
non-profit organization based under a regime within a Federal
system - with its own state judiciaries, rather than a united
national jurisdiction? <br>
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I think that it is precisely by pointing at evidence and facts
that the whole issue around the ICANN - IANA jurisdiction might
become less politicized.<br>
Thanks.<br>
Best regards,<br>
Carolina<br>
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On 04/11/2014 06:15 a.m., Jordan Carter wrote:<br>
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<div>My view *at this stage* is that there are clear advantages
to California jurisdiction that other less transparent regimes
would find hard to match. If there was to be an IANA
subsidiary company wholly owned by ICANN (a viable option),
then it would make sense for it to be in the same
jurisdiction.</div>
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<div>I don't want to see ICANN or IANA pretending to become IGOs
and retreating to the secrecy of Swiss law or anything like
that, personally.</div>
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<div>That said, I am aware of many criticisms of how ICANN has
used the "California law" card as a way to get out of things.
The truth of those is beyond my experience, but I wonder how
often the courts of California have decided those issues,
rather than assertions by ICANN legal? My suspicion is the
courts haven't played much of a role - or in other words, that
it may not be the California jurisdiction that's the problem
so much as how it is being interpreted...</div>
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<div>best,</div>
<div>Jordan</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 4 November 2014 05:33, Greg
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<div dir="ltr">All:
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<div>Here is Robert's second question (which I think
also applies to the concept of a fully independent
IANA): </div>
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<div><b><font color="#0000ff">For option #2.<br>
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- Is there is a jurisdiction that ICANN has (or
can obtain) legal status might be more suitable
to use to create IANA as a subsidiary. Such an
option might allow for the link to be a
subsidiary of ICANN, but sever the legal link to
the US. A negative, of course, would be moving
the function and existing staff to a new part of
the world.</font></b><br>
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<div>Comments and discussion?</div>
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