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Dear Becky,<br>
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I can vaguely remember from memory that a study of ICANN
jurisdiction has already been done. I cannot remember whether this
was asked by the ICANN Board or Staff and whether its results are
public, but I know that one exists. Globalisation of ICANN through
finding it a new home is not a new topic... :-)<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/11/2014 16:00, Burr, Becky wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Calibri,sans-serif">Jurisdiction issues are
very complex. I believe that it would be extremely helpful
for us (as well as for many other work streams) to develop a
shared perspective on the basic rules and issues. Although
there are many lawyers participating, we would probably get
the most benefit from an independent/neutral provider. If
this is of interest,
</font>I would be happy to work with the co-chairs and other
interested folks to put materials and a webinar together.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday,
November 5, 2014 at 9:24 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Dwi Elfrida Martina
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>RFP3 <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CWG-RFP3]
Is there is a more suitable legal jurisdiction for anIANA
subsidiary?<br>
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<div>Several independent review panels have held that ICANN
is subject to international law. </div>
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On Nov 5, 2014, at 03:50, Dwi Elfrida Martina <<a
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<div>Hi, <br>
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my name is Dwi Elfrida, I am from Indonesia. in
respond to optioned 2 from Robert, and thanks to
bring the jurisdiction issue up, in my opinion to
tie up IANA legal status to ICANN's legal status
might a faster way to reach IANA's legislation.
But, it wouldn't be solution for many parties who
questioned IANA's independency from the US
government authority, as I know, for some parties
the good news (main spirit) of transition of
IANA stewardship is to internationalized IANA,
means to dismiss the image of single authority of
the US government over IANA. Meanwhile, some
parties are still debated the ICANN's legislation
that cannot be counted as International law, as
all cases of TLD (mostly gTLD) will be processed
in the US by using the US law. Therefore, the
government of France (at ICANN meeting in London)
was still calling the issue of making ICANN as
International organization legalized by
International law. And this idea seems like
supported by some governments in Europe, and other
part of this world. Indeed, placing IANA's
functions and office from the US to other part of
this world, is not the solution as well, because
it is not the matter or territory, but the matter
of legislation system, which law that suitable
enough to validate IANA? do we agree to use the US
legislation system like has been used by the
ICANN, or do we agree to use International law,
then how will we make it happen? Our choice on
IANA's legislation system will determine the law
enforcement of IANA's policies in the future.
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think also applies to the concept of a fully
independent IANA): </div>
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<div><b><font color="#0000ff">For option #2.<br>
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- Is there is a jurisdiction that ICANN
has (or can obtain) legal status might be
more suitable to use to create IANA as a
subsidiary. Such an option might allow for
the link to be a subsidiary of ICANN, but
sever the legal link to the US. A
negative, of course, would be moving the
function and existing staff to a new part
of the world.</font></b><br>
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