<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It seems that the issue of engaging NTIA in some way has been raised. </div><div><br></div><div>A couple of questions come to mind. In no particular order...</div><div><br></div><div>- is the information some are seeking about NTIA, especially its role in technical administrative review of IANA , already available (ssac advisories , etc) ?</div><div>- do we already have experts what can comment about NTIA's role? </div><div>- if we need to reach out to/consult NTIA who is the best and/or most appropriate person?</div><div>- what type of questions would be of interest to pose to NTIA . Could that be done in writing, or should it be done via a conference call?</div><div><br></div><div>- we are already on a very tight timeline. Do we have time to interact with NTIA ? If so , what is the best open and transparent fashion to do so ?</div><div><br></div><div>Personally, I believe that if we have specific questions that we need to ask - it should be done in an open and transparent fashion - and sent in a timely fashion for their comments to be factored in to our work.</div><div><br></div><div>One possible option is to get comments back from them on it before our face to face meeting in Frankfurt . That the comments can be discussed. That may be too short a time though ..</div><div><br></div><div>Others may have a different opinion of course, so welcome to hear specific suggestions on the way ahead on this issue .</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Robert </div><div><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Nov 7, 2014, at 8:18 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>... It will be easier for the Operator to tell us what they send to NTIA and the maintainer to tell us what it receives from NTIA which would help determine what is done in the middle.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Just incase it becomes so necessary to ping NTIA, i was just listening to a member of its staff [1] indicating how much they are avalable to respond to any question from the community. However what i don't hear is channel of communication but from all indication it seem they can be available in a timely fashion. <br><br></div><div dir="ltr">Regards <br>1. <a href="https://ripe69.ripe.net/archives/video/10070">https://ripe69.ripe.net/archives/video/10070</a> (from 24th min)<br><br><div><div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 6, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Avri Doria <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Hi,<br>
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Perhaps I am being simplistic, but having more information never
really hurts, does it?<br>
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If we learn it is as we thought. Great!<br>
If we learn even one wrinkle that or complicating factor we did not
know about, all the better?<br>
<br>
avri<span><br>
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<div>On 06-Nov-14 05:07, Donna Austin wrote:<br>
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I agree with you, NTIA would not have announced transition if they had concerns, but I do agree with Kieren that we need to know what NTIA does.
As a former bureaucrat, I am very conscious that NTIA would most likely have built in layers of administrative processes and guidelines as Kieren suggests in his most recent email. I think it’s important we understand what those are.
Thanks,
Donna
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Donna:
Asking NTIA what it does is one thing. (Anyone who wants to can do that.)
Asking NTIA “if it would have any concerns” about any particular transition proposal, which Kieren also proposed, is not something we should do. It betrays a complete misunderstanding of the nature of this process, imho.
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I think there is value in understanding what NTIA does, and having them inform us of the those details would have value. I appreciate David Conrad’s expertise in this area, but from an administrative and potentially replicative perspective, I support Kieren’s suggestion that we ask “NTIA what it does”.
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Donna
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So it strikes me that the obvious question is: let's ask the NTIA what it does and ask it if it would have any concerns if the role simply disappeared.
Kieren
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Milton Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller.syr.edu@gmail.com" target="_blank">mueller.syr.edu@gmail.com</a><a href="mailto:mueller.syr.edu@gmail.com" target="_blank"><mailto:mueller.syr.edu@gmail.com></a>> wrote:
I agree with David Conrad here. There is no need for the authorizer step.
Milton L Mueller
Professor, Syracuse School of Information Studies
On Nov 4, 2014, at 13:05, David Conrad <<a href="mailto:david.conrad@icann.org" target="_blank">david.conrad@icann.org</a><a href="mailto:david.conrad@icann.org" target="_blank"><mailto:david.conrad@icann.org></a>> wrote:
Robert,
On Nov 4, 2014, at 3:33 AM, Robert Guerra <<a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org" target="_blank">rguerra@privaterra.org</a><a href="mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org" target="_blank"><mailto:rguerra@privaterra.org></a>> wrote:
- RZF need to be reviewed for technical accuracy
For clarification, currently, the IANA Function Operator (IFO) does not have access to the Root Zone File. The Root Zone File is generated by Verisign prior to signing and distributing to the Root Server Operators (I believe -- I do not know the actual processes used by Verisign for sure, but I can make some educated guesses).
What the IFO does does see is the specific change request prior to it being submitted to NTIA for authorization. There are a number of technical checks performed by the IFO prior to allowing that change request to proceed. I believe those technical checks are documented at <a href="https://www.iana.org/help/nameserver-requirements" target="_blank">https://www.iana.org/help/nameserver-requirements</a> (more generally, <a href="https://www.iana.org/domains/root/help" target="_blank">https://www.iana.org/domains/root/help</a> might be a useful resource).
In the past Verisign also performed a set of technical checks (not exactly sure what they were). I suspect, but do not know for certain, they continue to do those checks.
- An authorizer process step exists now . In a post NTIA solution, something similar is needed. There is a need to evaluate if a single or multiple authorizers are needed as well as cost that might entail.
Speaking entirely personally, it isn't clear to me that an authorizer step is actually necessary since in practice, by the time the request gets to the authorizer, the affected parties are aware of the change and they'd have raised concerns if they had any. However whether an authorizer step is needed is, of course, for the community to decide.
Regards,
-drc
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