<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Allan, </div><div>I've noted your suggestion in the google doc version of the Strawman Matrix. </div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:09 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> RFP3 <<a href="mailto:cwg-rfp3@icann.org">cwg-rfp3@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [CWG-RFP3] Proposed Agenda for Wednesday 12 November Meeting<br></div><div><br></div><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">One comment that I should have made during the meeting this morning relates to the use of the term ‘Creation of an Oversight Body’ in the options. Since in
Strawman Option I, this would not be an incorporated entity, this can create confusion. Perhaps we should use a more neutral term, such as ‘Creation of an Oversight
<i>Mechanism</i>’. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> <a href="mailto:cwg-rfp3-bounces@icann.org">cwg-rfp3-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-rfp3-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-rfp3-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br><b>Sent:</b> November-12-14 12:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Seun Ojedeji<br><b>Cc:</b> RFP3<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-RFP3] Proposed Agenda for Wednesday 12 November Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Seun,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">As stated on the call and in my cover email, these are all "Strawmen," intended to serve as jumping off points and not to exclude other alternatives (though ultimately, we need to exclude alternatives or we will not have a proposal). I
would encourage you to put forth (ideally in the same format as the strawman or the "strawman matrix") a proposal for the use of an existing body. In particular, what existing body would you propose to use? And if it is ICANN, how would you deal with concerns
of lack of independence, assuming that IANA also remains within ICANN? Also, how would this existing body be able to enter into contracts to replace the IANA contract? On the other hand, if you are talking about a different existing body (e.g., ISOC) that
probably raises other questions. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am not saying this to discourage your line of thought. Rather, I am saying this to encourage you to flesh out this proposal.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:55 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for sending these documents and i agree that its a great effort. However i will not agree that it captures what has been discussed on this mailing list so far (except for version 2 which seem to make an attempt). In general, the
3 versions are all with the intent of creating a new body which is not what has been entirely said on this list. I observed that some (including myself) has mentioned the use of an existing body that empowers the existing communities within ICANN.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">However since creating a body is what you have just presented, I will attempt to address the one that seem to put multistakeholder community into consideration (not that i agree with creating a body):<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">From the section below:<o:p></o:p></p><p style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">
</span></span><!--[endif]--><b><u>Registry Operators</u>. </b>PROC will be a multistakeholder organization, with representatives of from registry operators (both ccNSO and non-ccNSO), other GNSO stakeholder groups and constituencies, GAC, SSAC, RSSAC and ALAC,
as well as representatives of the “Names Community” <b>not directly involved in ICANN Stakeholder Organizations and Advisory Committees.</b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I don't understand how this can be achieved. I also see this a replication of community which will result to wastage of resources and in the long run deny participation from those who lack enough resources to
participate in the multiple environments that will be created from this act. I would have thought having such committee formation (a CWG variant if you like) who then perform the mentioned task will be ideal. I don't see why it needs to be a registered body
in other to perform those tasks (except contract awarding ofcourse).<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Regards<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">All:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">In the course of preparing for tomorrow's call, including discussions with the Co-Chairs of the CWG and other subgroup leads, it was decided that a preferred course of action would be to prepare three "Strawman Proposals" rather than a
single "Framework Document" with multiple variables. These three Strawman Proposals are attached. The proposals are organized on a consistent outline, largely taken from the "Variables" document. This will allow us to consider the proposals both "vertically"
and "horizontally" (i.e., across the documents), and to swap sections as we move toward the ultimate deliverable of a single proposal. The proposals are intended to capture most of the major alternatives discussed on this list, the CWG list, and in our calls,
as well as in other documents circulated in the community. However, if a particular alternative has not been captured in any proposal, that does not mean that it is "dead" or even disfavored. Similarly, I expect there will be additional issues to be considered
in any proposal, and these should be captured as well, either on the call or thereafter.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I apologize for the lateness of the hour; I hope you will see that the alternatives are not unfamiliar, even if they are now repackaged in proposal form. In our call tomorrow morning, I would like to review and work through these proposals
in lieu of items 2 and 3 of the agenda. In the course of that review, we should aim to consider pro's and con's, which will be added to a document during our call, and then posted or circulated for further editing. I expect that the Strawman Proposals will
be similarly posted or circulated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to our call.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Greg<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Grace Abuhamad <<a href="mailto:grace.abuhamad@icann.org" target="_blank">grace.abuhamad@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Here is the proposed agenda for the RFP3 subgroup meeting on Wednesday: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><ol start="1" type="1"><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Welcome and Roll Call<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Review of Variables Document (link
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/10PIySH4OEdebff1lU7foynDe8S3PZEvjG2W_UCpJamM/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">
here</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Review of Framework Document (to be circulated before call)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Live-Editing of Pros and Cons Document (to be circulated before call)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Thoughts on this sub-group on how best to use time in Frankfurt<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Assignments for fleshing out parts of Framework Document <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">AOB<o:p></o:p></span></li></ol><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black; ">Best, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); ">Grace<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">_______________________________________________<br>
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