[CWG-Stewardship] Comments on principles

Thu Oct 23 15:51:45 UTC 2014

Lets say that there is an agreement to that, where and how do we find
the balance? What will be the preference management mechanism? There
are a whole set of governance and legal problems here that are just
not comprehendible in the current organizational structure and
circumstances.

One way is to forget all these debates and deal with IANA to be a
separate independent entity and contract its relationships with ICANN
and any other future organizations? Whats the possible governance
structure then? Private or Public? Compliance and enforcement would be
the kill switch approach? On whose call? Accountability? How?

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz> wrote:
> No matter how attractive it may be to think about subjecting ICANN to the
> laws of every country around the world, I actually think that is a bad
> idea for everyone.   That said, no matter where ICANN is incorporated, it
> can always agree that disputes will be resolved in accordance with the law
> of a specific country and in a designated physical venue.
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> On 10/23/14, 11:27 AM, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>And thats an important aspect to realize that ICANN is till registered
>>under US Law as a non-profit corporation??? That may bring us back to
>>that very old discussion that how is IANA impacted if it were to
>>remain under ICANN and its longstanding US non-profit laws abiding
>>situation? Opening offices around the world doesn't move ICANN out of
>>US Law bindings.
>>
>>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>> I think those are defined in the NTIA requirement with perhaps the
>>>biggest
>>> one being the no  governmental/intergovernmental replacement.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>
>>> On 23 Oct 2014 01:55, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible to understand what are the boundaries or limits of the
>>>> IANA contract that should not be crossed at all in the transition
>>>> design? I am thinking from outward to inwards...
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I see at least 1 other category and another entry for the
>>>>Accountabilty
>>>> > category
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > the new Category is Separability.
>>>> >
>>>> > In order to reproduce the NTIA contract, it has to be possible for
>>>>the
>>>> > Naming policy groups of ICANN to become dissatisfied and move the
>>>> > contract
>>>> > for the function elsewhere.  This is the correlate of the IETF
>>>> > capability.
>>>> > Other principles such as stabilty  mean this can't just happen willy
>>>> > nilly,
>>>> > but there must be some sort of periodic opportunity this to happen.
>>>>Or
>>>> > perhaps a 6 month clause like the IETF has.  while there are several
>>>> > ways to
>>>> > do this, I think it critical that the plan include the possiblity and
>>>> > the
>>>> > means.
>>>> >
>>>> > And the new bullets in accountability
>>>> >
>>>> > - There needs to be a mechanism for an enforceable means of redress.
>>>> > Whether it is achieved by binding arbitration, some sort of juridical
>>>> > system
>>>> > or a yet to be named capability, it has to be possible for there to
>>>>be
>>>> > an
>>>> > accessible and relaible mean of redress.
>>>> >
>>>> > - We need to decide to whom it is accountable.  The stakeholders?
>>>>The
>>>> > policy process? the registries? the registrants? the users?
>>>> > Accountabilty
>>>> > must be accountabilty to someone.  I beleive it is the stakeholders,
>>>>but
>>>> > that probably needs to be further defined.  Do we mean the
>>>>multiplicity
>>>> > of
>>>> > stakeholder groups ICANN has?  Or do we mean to a Tunis Agenda model
>>>>of
>>>> > stakeholders?  Some other model?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The answers to the principle questions will say a lot about the kind
>>>>of
>>>> > solution we might come up with.
>>>> >
>>>> > thanks
>>>> >
>>>> > avri
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
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