[CWG-Stewardship] Comments on principles

Thu Oct 23 16:02:55 UTC 2014

that¹s an approach.  I think it is more complicated than necessary, and I
don¹t see what it accomplishes that we can¹t do through an SLA Council and
contracts.

J. Beckwith Burr
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On 10/23/14, 11:51 AM, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:

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>Lets say that there is an agreement to that, where and how do we find
>the balance? What will be the preference management mechanism? There
>are a whole set of governance and legal problems here that are just
>not comprehendible in the current organizational structure and
>circumstances.
>
>One way is to forget all these debates and deal with IANA to be a
>separate independent entity and contract its relationships with ICANN
>and any other future organizations? Whats the possible governance
>structure then? Private or Public? Compliance and enforcement would be
>the kill switch approach? On whose call? Accountability? How?
>
>
>
>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 8:46 PM, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>
>wrote:
>> No matter how attractive it may be to think about subjecting ICANN to
>>the
>> laws of every country around the world, I actually think that is a bad
>> idea for everyone.   That said, no matter where ICANN is incorporated,
>>it
>> can always agree that disputes will be resolved in accordance with the
>>law
>> of a specific country and in a designated physical venue.
>>
>>
>> J. Beckwith Burr
>> Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>> Office: + 1.202.533.2932  Mobile:  +1.202.352.6367  /
>> becky.burr at neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/23/14, 11:27 AM, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>And thats an important aspect to realize that ICANN is till registered
>>>under US Law as a non-profit corporation??? That may bring us back to
>>>that very old discussion that how is IANA impacted if it were to
>>>remain under ICANN and its longstanding US non-profit laws abiding
>>>situation? Opening offices around the world doesn't move ICANN out of
>>>US Law bindings.
>>>
>>>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> I think those are defined in the NTIA requirement with perhaps the
>>>>biggest
>>>> one being the no  governmental/intergovernmental replacement.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers!
>>>>
>>>> sent from Google nexus 4
>>>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Oct 2014 01:55, "Fouad Bajwa" <fouadbajwa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it possible to understand what are the boundaries or limits of the
>>>>> IANA contract that should not be crossed at all in the transition
>>>>> design? I am thinking from outward to inwards...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>> > Hi,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I see at least 1 other category and another entry for the
>>>>>Accountabilty
>>>>> > category
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > the new Category is Separability.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In order to reproduce the NTIA contract, it has to be possible for
>>>>>the
>>>>> > Naming policy groups of ICANN to become dissatisfied and move the
>>>>> > contract
>>>>> > for the function elsewhere.  This is the correlate of the IETF
>>>>> > capability.
>>>>> > Other principles such as stabilty  mean this can't just happen
>>>>>willy
>>>>> > nilly,
>>>>> > but there must be some sort of periodic opportunity this to happen.
>>>>>Or
>>>>> > perhaps a 6 month clause like the IETF has.  while there are
>>>>>several
>>>>> > ways to
>>>>> > do this, I think it critical that the plan include the possiblity
>>>>>and
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > means.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And the new bullets in accountability
>>>>> >
>>>>> > - There needs to be a mechanism for an enforceable means of
>>>>>redress.
>>>>> > Whether it is achieved by binding arbitration, some sort of
>>>>>juridical
>>>>> > system
>>>>> > or a yet to be named capability, it has to be possible for there to
>>>>>be
>>>>> > an
>>>>> > accessible and relaible mean of redress.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > - We need to decide to whom it is accountable.  The stakeholders?
>>>>>The
>>>>> > policy process? the registries? the registrants? the users?
>>>>> > Accountabilty
>>>>> > must be accountabilty to someone.  I beleive it is the
>>>>>stakeholders,
>>>>>but
>>>>> > that probably needs to be further defined.  Do we mean the
>>>>>multiplicity
>>>>> > of
>>>>> > stakeholder groups ICANN has?  Or do we mean to a Tunis Agenda
>>>>>model
>>>>>of
>>>>> > stakeholders?  Some other model?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The answers to the principle questions will say a lot about the
>>>>>kind
>>>>>of
>>>>> > solution we might come up with.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > thanks
>>>>> >
>>>>> > avri
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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