[CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities

Mon Oct 27 22:48:12 UTC 2014

I'm not speaking on behalf of the GAC here, and not even from my own
Government's perspective, however I would remark that ...

"I honestly don’t know that the GAC would want to participate in the
Oversight Council – seems very technical/operational to me."

... Is probably not representative of several Governments' POV.

/t

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014, 5:45 PM Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz> wrote:

>   I honestly don’t know that the GAC would want to participate in the
> Oversight Council – seems very technical/operational to me.  I don’t think
> have a couple of GAC members on the council would be unacceptable to the
> USG – balance is the key.  I’m not sure what you mean by “on an equal
> basis” however.
>
>   J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
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>   From: Donna Austin <Donna.Austin at ariservices.com>
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2014 at 2:41 PM
> To: Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz>, Carolina Aguerre <
> carolina at lactld.org>, "cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <
> cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>
> Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the
> other two communities
>
>   Becky, all
>
>
>
> Can someone explain to me how GAC participation/involvement in an
> Oversight Council is considered in the context of the NTIA provision that
> “… the NTIA will not accept a proposal that replaces the NTIA role with a
> government-led or an inter-governmental organisation solution.”
>
>
>
> I’m just trying to understand the distinction being made here. Is a
> solution that allows government participation on an equal basis as others,
> viable?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
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> *From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
> <cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Burr, Becky
> *Sent:* Friday, 24 October 2014 7:20 AM
> *To:* Carolina Aguerre; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> Tracy,
>
>
>
> First, the total number of completely unaffiliated ccTLDs is somewhere
> around 58, not 96.  I suspect that a few of these aren’t actually
> delegated, so probably a bit less.  But do we think that all gTLDs
> participate in the gNSO?  That would really surprise me.
>
>
>
> Second, why couldn’t those that are completely unaffiliated and prefer to
> remain that way participate directly (I.e., without the ccNSO or the
> regional organization as an intermediary?)
>
>
>
> Finally, I don’t know why this creates the nexus for GAC in future
> arrangements?  Some ccTLDs operate under government contracts (for example,
> .US).  Our participation in a User’s Council might be affected by the
> contract, but I don’t think that means the Department of Commerce should
> (or would want to be) a member of the Council.  In a relatively small
> number of cases, a government institution actually operates the ccTLD.  In
> that case, the government would be a direct consumer of IANA services.
>
>
>
> Don’t get me wrong, if the notion is that the GAC would have a seat on the
> Council, I suppose I wouldn’t object, but in my experience members of the
> GAC represent their OWN governments, not the GAC generally.
>
>
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932  Mobile:  +1.202.352.6367  /
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>
>
>
> *From: *Carolina Aguerre <carolina at lactld.org>
> *Date: *Friday, October 24, 2014 at 6:50 AM
> *To: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> Hi Tracy,
>
> Indeed the numbers raised by Peter are global, thus including the LAC
> region and LACTLD
>
> Carolina
>
> On 24/10/2014 05:03 a.m., Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote:
>
> Thank you Peter ... extremely helpful. I assume you also have counted
> those in LACTLD?
>
> So ... 96 ccTLDs could POTENTIALLY not recognize the ccNSO in any future
> organizational arrangement involving the ccNSO as is being suggested here.
>
> That is not insubstantial.
>
> I can also imagine that when you factor those that are Government
> affiliated within these 96 ccTLDs, the issues become quite complex as they
> relate to these discussions.
>
> I wonder if this is the nexus for GAC involvement in future organizational
> arrangements ...
>
> However that will still POTENTIALLY leave some ccTLDs out of the future
> arrangements being considered here, save for coercing them into joining
> either the ccNSO or the regional orgs.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> /t
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2014 3:20 AM, "Peter Van Roste" <peter at centr.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Tracy for raising this.
>
> Becky is right, this process is open to all ccTLDs. The regional
> organisations are reaching out to those that are not in the ccNSO and to
> those that are unaffiliated in their respective regions.
>
> However, it should be taken into account when discussing the future role
> the ccNSO could play, that some ccTLDs will not recognize the ccNSO as a
> representative of their interests.
>
>
>
> Some stats:
>
> Out of the 248 ccTLDs:
>
> 152 are members of the ccNSO. Most of those are also a member of their
> regional organisation (AfTLD, APTLD, CENTR and APTLD).
>
> 38 ccTLDs are members of their regional organisation but not of the ccNSO.
>
> 58 ccTLDs are unaffiliated.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Van Roste
>
> General Manager, CENTR
>
>
>
> *From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Burr, Becky
> *Sent:* donderdag 23 oktober 2014 23:37
> *To:* Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google; Allan MacGillivray
> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> Some of those who do not participate in the ccNSO do participate in
> regional organizations such as LACTLD and APTLD.  We have also set up a
> global list to communicate with ccTLDs that don’t participate in either.
> Note that the ccNSO rules permit cc’s to participate fully without actually
> joining the ccNSO itself.
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932  Mobile:  +1.202.352.6367  /
> becky.burr at neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
>
>
>
> *From: *"Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google" <tracyhackshaw at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 5:31 PM
> *To: *Allan MacGillivray <allan.macgillivray at cira.ca>
> *Cc: *Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz>, Milton L Mueller <
> mueller at syr.edu
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMD-g&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=QpQAt_piuchJf9ejWDh3H_z119DN4HT2HzMk0YusRzw&s=MfTsSXzXbuHI0rFcHtnorPW-C4XKghU8vC-r39Erl4M&e=>>,
> Guru Acharya <gurcharya at gmail.com>, "cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <
> cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> What about the ccTLDs who are NOT part of the ccNSO ... has this been
> discussed/dealt with already?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Allan MacGillivray <
> allan.macgillivray at cira.ca> wrote:
>
> So let’s see if I have got this correct.  The idea is that the registries
> would set up a corporation that could contract with IANA, either as a
> stand-alone entity or as a department of ICANN, for the performance of the
> IANA functions – let’s call it ‘RegistryCo’ for short.  Would there not be
> liability concerns on the part of many registries to being directors of
> RegistryCo?   Even if they could be convinced, would those ccTLDs that are
> governments be comfortable with such an approach?  And it would need some
> money to get going.  Incorporating does take little money, but negotiating
> the contract would be quite another issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Burr, Becky [mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz]
> *Sent:* October-23-14 4:20 PM
> *To:* Milton L Mueller; Guru Acharya
> *Cc:* Allan MacGillivray; Fouad Bajwa; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> Correct.  In any case, it takes very little time or money to create a
> light weight legal entity.
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932  Mobile:  +1.202.352.6367  /
> becky.burr at neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
>
>
>
> *From: *Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=GgzA5SwJogI0ald8wwDSR-ml1BmbWp0LkVsHeAGs0EU&s=ZpmqRGN-6diwUv7gbTulgFXccZAa2eMl5e0pxgIPoEk&e=>
> >
> *Date: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:41 PM
> *To: *Guru Acharya <gurcharya at gmail.com>, Becky Burr <
> becky.burr at neustar.biz>
> *Cc: *Allan MacGillivray <allan.macgillivray at cira.ca>, Fouad Bajwa <
> fouadbajwa at gmail.com>, "cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <
> cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> No. Guru this is incorrect. Both the CCNSO and the GNSO are made up of
> mostly incorporated legal entities. Certainly the TLD registries in both
> entities are legally incorporated.
>
>
>
> *From:* Guru Acharya [mailto:gurcharya at gmail.com <gurcharya at gmail.com>]
>
> Even though NFL is an unincorporated association, the 32 independent teams
> that comprise the unincorporated association are legal entities. These 32
> legal entities then collectively enter to into pooled-rights contract with
> any third party.
>
>
>
> In comparison, CCNSO and GNSO are not legal entities; and they can not
> form an unincorporated association.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Burr, Becky <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>
> wrote:
>
>   The law varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but in the US, the
> question is whether there is an enforceable contract and not whether one of
> the contracting parties is a formal legal entity.  I can assure you, the
> NFL enforces contracts all the time.
>
>
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932  Mobile:  +1.202.352.6367  /
> becky.burr at neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
>
>
>
> *From: *Allan MacGillivray <allan.macgillivray at cira.ca>
> *Date: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM
> *To: *Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz>, Milton L Mueller <
> mueller at syr.edu
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=INYMVpabyaFlLICPn_6grbXytRGxGNbwdxstS1N6kfU&s=xm679ts9ebwDNuRzz6N0a2u03BsoJV4iMSTlfNWBXKU&e=>>,
> Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> Becky – you raise a very important point as to whether unincorporated
> entities can enter into enforceable contracts.  If they can, it may
> simplify things considerably e.g. have ccNSO, GNSO, ALAC? 'take over’ the
> contact with ICANN.  I had been labouring under the assumption that the
> ccNSO, GNSO would have to incorporate to do this.  How can we get clarity
> on this?
>
>
>
>
>
> Allan
>
>
>
> *From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [
> mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
> <cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Burr, Becky
> *Sent:* October-23-14 11:43 AM
> *To:* Milton L Mueller; Fouad Bajwa
> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
> Rather than starting with legal constructs, let’s begin by talking about
> what we need to accomplish requisite accountability.  To me, we need some
> independent committee, council, unincorporated association, or
> representative group to have a contract with ICANN/IANA for performing IANA
> functions consistent with SLA’s to be negotiated and documented.  We need
> this entity, presumably representative of IANA service consumers, to have
> recourse if the SLA’s are not met.
>
>
>
> If this is correct, then we can look at what kind of legal entity we need
> for the “SLA Council.”  Seems to me that the core of this group would be
> registry operators, perhaps with representation from other stakeholders
> like registstrars, registrants, etc.  Could be stand alone or perhaps
> housed in ISOC or the IETF?  I am pretty sure that unincorporated
> associations can enter into enforceable contracts, etc. (For example, the
> National Football League in the US is actually an unincorporated
> association).
>
>
>
> Second, we need a mechanism that ensure recourse and redress for a
> registry that is wrongfully revoked, delegated, etc.  That mechanism can be
> provided to all through the ICANN bylaws, e.g., as an independent review.
>
>
>
>
>
> J. Beckwith Burr
>
> *Neustar, Inc. /* Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
>
> 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
>
> Office: + 1.202.533.2932  Mobile:  +1.202.352.6367  /
> becky.burr at neustar.biz / www.neustar.biz
>
>
>
> *From: *Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMFAw&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=9jEM_hACGXiATouHvV-V_jUNH5sc3y-bQFzqRD4_qRU&s=WD5mnQGH8gOzXMllT3aJRt_wLg7aZMZR0oiM_ERgS0g&e=>
> >
> *Date: *Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM
> *To: *Fouad Bajwa <fouadbajwa at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"cwg-stewardship at icann.org" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
> the other two communities
>
>
>
>
>
> Fouad:
>
> By the “technical community proposals” I assume you mean the protocols
> community.
>
>
>
> What your argument misses is that IANA _*is*_ a separate organizational
> entity for both the numbers and protocols communities.
>
>
>
> The protocol community has an MoU with ICANN that authorizes ICANN to
> perform the IANA functions for them. That MoU can be revoked, and IETF can
> decide to use someone else. That is the perfect accountability mechanism.
> Now, tell me how the names community achieves that same wonderful state?
> There are two ways to do it: pull the IANA out of ICANN, or set up a new
> contracting authority to replace the NTIA, which could periodically award
> the contract to ICANN or to anyone else qualified.
>
>
>
> No one wants “the IANA technical and policy functions [might] fall into
> the hands and whims of governments.” That in fact is a requirement imposed
> on the transition by the NTIA. But we do need to make significant
> organizational changes if we are to meet the requirement of accountability.
> I think scare talk about take overs can divert our attention from needed
> reforms and I would resist that kind of talk.
>
>
>
> I don't think that IANA should be evolved as a separate entity at all and
> create new opportunities for bureaucracies for governments and industry
> control.
>
>
>
> The technical community proposals are highly reasonable to not make such a
> big fuss out of it and help IANA transition under a body that is somewhat
> messed up but can be improved in the long run however, ICANN would need
> some changes.
>
>
>
> The technical community has also shown its concern that it doesn't want
> the IANA technical and policy function to fall into the hands of the whims
> of governments because it functions to the technical community's needs
> adequately in its present environment and role.
>
>
>
> Your challenge and for the ICG is to propose that most transparent and
> accountable way forward that ensures an open and inclusive relationship
> with the Internet community treating stakeholders in their respective roles
> but not giving preference to one group over another another. I don't have
> to go through the Internet Governance ideals over and over again here.
>
>
>
> First ICANN Board control as the final word for IANA affairs would have to
> be reviewed and should be taken into a broader community review process. I
> do not trust the ICANN Board to be able to manage both ICANN and IANA in a
> transparent and accountable way, their progress over the years has had its
> own set of troubles already.
>
>
>
> The proposals are interesting but not the final word. The final word will
> remain with NTIA and thats my concern from a developing country member
> citizen perspective. I am going through a great deal of suggestions and
> proposals and all show a similar aspect, don't disturb the IANA technical
> function and the policies for IANA developed by the community have work so
> far but require more transparency, accountability and functional
> relationships with the community ensuring open and inclusive participation
> in its policy development processes.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>  +1 Option 2 is preferred from my end also. However i also added Option 4
> as a second preference just incase things get delayed with the
> accountability process.
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Hello all,
>
> you might wish to see an expanded set of "Options", in a Google Doc which
> has been shared.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=fUDcpKHcSBfPHc8c3PFUK3EGMl9QAYJOV5JFJEPECSo&e=>
>
> So far, I note that the majority of our participants on the At-Large IANA
> Issues WG appears to prefer Option 2.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Olivier
>
>
>
> On 15/10/2014 22:55, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:
>
>  FYI
>
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>
> *Subject: *
>
> [CWG-Stewardship] Names Community vs the other two communities
>
> *Date: *
>
> Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:40:47 +0530
>
> *From: *
>
> Guru Acharya <gurcharya at gmail.com> <gurcharya at gmail.com>
>
> *To: *
>
> cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>
>
>
> How the names community approach will differ from the approach adopted by
> the numbers community and protocols community?
>
>
>
> Numbers Community: APNIC has reached consensus on its proposal. According
> to the proposal, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN. It proposes to
> replace NTIA oversight with a Service Level Agreement (SLA) and Affirmation
> of Commitment (AOC) between NRO and ICANN.
>
> www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/apnic/report-ianatransition/1
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.slideshare.net_fullscreen_apnic_report-2Dianatransition_1&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=ipQr6NSV4s2YyeTKtleRzaehK6NnJP70z0QOuy57W7o&e=>
>
>
>
> Protocols Community: The IETF draft proposal suggests that no structural
> changes are required as a result of the transition. The MOU between ICANN
> and the IETF community will continue to govern the existing relationship.
> Again, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN.
>
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-00
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dianaplan-2Dicg-2Dresponse-2D00&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=hsoL84pOSYzJR4QRMfhJYR6ybddmed3Zi1M-kuVH5uQ&e=>
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> Therefore, neither the numbers community, nor the protocol community
> appear to be in the direction of suggesting a new MS Oversight Entity to
> replace NTIA and its oversight. Merely contracts between existing entities
> will be updated to replace NTIA oversight.
>
>
>
> Can the names community adopt a similar approach? Can a contractual
> agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO be expected to replace
> NTIA oversight?
>
>
>
> Clearly NO! This approach can not be adopted by the names community
> because the names community resides within ICANN, which is also the IANA
> operator. Specifically, GNSO and CCNSO are essentially subsets of ICANN,
> and therefore a contractual agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and
> GNSO/CCNSO can not be expected to replace NTIA oversight.
>
>
>
> Therefore, it is essential to either
>
>
>
> Option (i): create a new legal entity, which has a contractual oversight
> relationship with ICANN. This would be similar toÂ
> http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/
> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetgovernance.org_2014_08_04_students-2Dschool-2Dfaculty-2Don-2Diana-2Dtransition-2Dthe-2Dmeissen-2Dproposal_&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=HC19PauLIvR68L1aaQZMUV1ysZRdzy1Rku_FhtwR4P0&e=>
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>
> Option (ii): expect ICANN to self-regulate
>
>
>
> Option (iii): make a new legal entity comprising of CCNSO and GNSO that is
> structurally independent of ICANN and require that new entity to enter into
> a contractual oversight agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) with ICANN.
>
>
>
> From the above three options, clearly option (ii) is not acceptable
> because of the lack of trust in the ICANN enhanced accountability process.
>
>
>
> I also feel that option (iii) is not feasible because the CCNSO and GNSO
> are heavily integrated with ICANN and structural separation of these two
> communities from ICANN will be in-feasible.
>
>
>
> Also, from the Jordan Carter document, the option on page 7 can be
> discarded, which makes ICANN the oversight body, as IANA will continue to
> reside in ICANN, as clearly suggested by the proposals of the protocols and
> numbers community.
>
>
>
> Therefore, option (i) is clearly the only option available with the names
> community.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Acharya
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