[CWG-Stewardship] ICANN fighting separabiity in the numbers space

[Steve Crocker]

Seun, et al,

There are details in the current presentation that were not included previously.  When I spoke at ICANN 53 and in other fora, I did indeed feel there wasn’t any significant issue.  There are always details to work out, of course, but my feeling at the time was there was sufficient alignment of goals and requirements for me to express optimism.

I am not at the ARIN meeting and I am only seeing the slides without hearing the presentation.  Let me suggest it is very premature to conclude there is some sort of unsolvable problem.  The persistent fact is the numbers community is getting the service it needs and ICANN is committed to continuing to provide it.

With respect to the claims that ICANN is “fighting” or that “separability” is a principle that has to be taken above all else, I think these are false statements.  Neither body lives in the “what if” world.  Trying to work out a perfect solution to a set of contingencies that are hard to specify, have not occurred and have no common points of reference — and, yes, I am saying that’s the nature of the debates on this list — is likely to be contentious and unbounded

Steve
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On Apr 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the update, its interesting that CRISP has not provided this update on its global list where they communicate with the RIR community OR perhaps you mean ICANN legal is presently at ARIN meeting where the discussion is happening? if that is the case, i will really appreciate if you could post url to transcript so i can follow as well. 
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> Its really news to me and i think its something that should be followed up. I recall specifically asking ICANN board Chair about the proposal of the CRISP team during the public comment session in Singapore and his response was very positive (generally indicating they did not have any significant issue with it).
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> Regards
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> On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> I am at the ARIN meeting in San Francisco, and members of the CRISP team gave a report on the status of their proposal.
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> That discussion revealed several very interesting facts about how ICANN legal is negotiating with the numbers community over the CRISP proposal.
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> Apparently, ICANN legal is fighting very hard against the ability of the numbers community to terminate the contract with notice.
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> It is also resisting the idea that the numbers community could do periodic review and competitive selection of an alternate provider if it was deemed necessary
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> The CRISP team pointed out that the contract termination clauses of their proposed contract with ICANN was much less one-sided than the current NTIA contract, yet ICANN is still resisting it.
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> It seems clear to me that ICANN will fight very hard to maintain control of IANA, and is doing everything it can to mitigate separability as a real option.
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> This provides us with a very clear caution regarding internal proposals. When ICANN controls IANA and there is no legal separation we should not be naïve about how easy it will be to create “nuclear option” procedures that provide for separability.
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> Milton L Mueller
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> Syracuse University School of Information Studies
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