[CWG-Stewardship] The Reverse Hybrid Model

Tue Apr 14 09:44:39 UTC 2015

Hi Chuck,

Don't want to over-stretch this but i think the subject of this write-up
says it all. "The *Reverse* Hybrid Model" this practically means its a
write-up (won't call it a full proposal yet) that is definitely different
from what is on the table. I don't know what other element we will need to
pick from it into existing proposals...perhaps to generate a hybrid hybrid
version ;-).

Nevertheless i agree with your rationale about maximising time hence Sidley
could have a look at it so long as it will not affect the focus of this
working group and most especially not change the direction of the current
meeting.

That said, i really don't think the actual "look" is within the scope of
Sidley as it is still this working group that knows what is required.
Unfortunately we have not achieve consensus on what we want as a group.

Regards
PS: Filtered client list since its read-only for me

On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:

>  Note Seun that I suggested that we ask Sidley to provide ‘a high level
> response’; that was intentional on my part because I also think it is
> important to use Sidley’s time as effectively as possible.  And I also have
> concerns about working in a serial manner because I don’t think we have the
> time for that.  Besides, if there are ideas in this new model that can be
> used in what we are currently considering, it would be better to identify
> them now rather than later.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> *From:* Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 14, 2015 5:20 AM
> *To:* Gomes, Chuck
> *Cc:* Andrew Sullivan; Greg Shatan; Client; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The Reverse Hybrid Model
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>
> Your points Andrew seem useful to me as well as the points made by others
> regarding this model.  Like several have said, I am not in favor of
> reopening closed issues but I do wonder if there are some elements of the
> this new model that could  be used to improve our solution.
>
>
>
> +1 and will be good if that ponder can come after we have a clear
> direction on the 2 proposals we currently have under review
>
>
>
>   But before the CWG spends any more time on this model, I would at least
> like to get a high level response from Sidley as to whether they think
> there may be some ideas in the model that could be useful.
>
>
>
> I am of a personal opinion that we don't load-up/increase the working
> hours of Sidley with this for now....we have set some directions for them
> already and they are working on it. Perhaps when we have exhausted the 2
> options we currently have on the table and could not come to a single
> option then we can task Sidley.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 4:17 AM
> To: Greg Shatan
> Cc: Client; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] The Reverse Hybrid Model
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Thanks for taking the time to lay out this model carefully.  I think it's
> good to expose it, but I think the exposure makes it clear it isn't worth
> pursuing in greater depth.  More below.
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 01:41:41AM -0400, Greg Shatan wrote:
>
> > In this model, ICANN would still be the source of the right to perform
> > the IANA Functions, as in the current internal model.  However, ICANN
> > would enter into an irrevocable agreement with the Affiliate for the
> > IANA Functions.
>
> The difficulty I see with the proposal lies in those two statements.
>
> My view is that ICANN is not the "source of the right" to perform the
> functions.  The source of the right to perform the protocol parameters
> function is the policy community for those parameters (i.e. the IETF), and
> the source of the right to perform the number resources function is the
> policy community for those parameters (i.e. the RIRs).
>
> The basic problem with this model (and this interpretation of your
> description) is that it requires a fundamental assumption that the
> functions are welded together, and that there is a single body responsible
> for "stewardship" of them.  This is something that the other communities
> simply don't believe.
>
> I therefore don't think there would be value in further elaboration of
> study of this model, because anything that proposes a single source of
> stewardship for all the functions won't fly.
>
> If, on the other hand, the model is supposed to be one in which the
> affiliate gets the right to contract for an entity to act as the naming
> functions operator only, then it isn't clear to me what work this wheel is
> supposed to do.  In order for it to be an effective steward of only those
> functions, it basically needs somehow to perform the job of the community
> for names functions.  But we already have a policy body for names
> functions, however imperfect: ICANN, or perhaps some subset of it.  So, to
> perform this stewardship function for names, the affiliate would have to
> instantiate most (or all) of the accountability measures that ICANN needs
> anyway.  This seems like an excellent way to re-open a number of prior
> decisions.  Moreover, it strikes me that it's quite likely to deliver
> subtle differences with the existing mechanisms, which would offer a
> tempting opportunity to game the system, a potential for procedural
> deadlock, or both.
>
> Therefore, no matter which way I interpret this model, it seems to me that
> it can't possibly yield enough benefit to be worth exploring in greater
> detail.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A
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