[CWG-Stewardship] FW: CWG/CRISP/IANAPLAN Coordination

Martin Boyle Martin.Boyle at nominet.org.uk
Wed Aug 12 16:14:39 UTC 2015 

As far as I'm concerned, I'm one of Avri's "more and more people" subject to us being able to find a clear framework for accountability on the holder of the IPR and domain names to the operational communities.  That really is about granting rights to the use of the resources for the purpose of the IANA functions operation by whomsoever is appointed to provide the IANA functions operator(s) services.



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From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: 12 August 2015 13:34
To: avri at acm.org; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: CWG/CRISP/IANAPLAN Coordination

I agree with Avri regarding the composition of the 'chair's group'.  I think having a few IPR experts in the small group is important.

Chuck

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From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 5:58 PM
To: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: CWG/CRISP/IANAPLAN Coordination

Hi,

By chairs' group.  i meant one that they were responsible for and were putting together as they thought best.  I did not mean it would only contain chairs.

As for consensus, I hear more and more people saying things like, "while I would prefer ICANN hold on to the IPR and domain names as part of its stewardship role, as long as everything is worked out,  I am willing to live with a trust solution since that is what Numbers wants and is what was put in the ICG plan as a default"

I think if the chairs group works it out and can answer the questions being asked to the satisfaction of the group, we will find consensus.

avri


On 11-Aug-15 15:07, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello Avri,
>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org 
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>
>      I look forward to updates on the discussions that will be held in
>     the  chairs' group.
>
>
> If its indeed now "chairs' group" then i will add my +1. The 
> understanding from the last CWG call was that a "small group" of 
> selected person across the operational communities will be formed to 
> discuss the TM(the group as i understand it may or may not contain the 
> chairs).
>
> Overall, without a direction from the CWG i doubt this meeting would 
> help the CWG achieve a consensus view on the TM options. I would 
> however be glad to see this cross- operational community collaboration 
> focus on how to refine the "texts/wordings" that ensure IETF Trust 
> operates the TM in a manner acceptable by the operational communities.
>
>
>     Good luck.
>
>
> +1
>
> Regards
>
>
>     avri
>
>
>     On 11-Aug-15 04:53, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>     > All,
>     >
>     > Please see below for message received yesterday from Izumi
>     Okutani & Nurani Nimpuno (respectively Chair and Vice-Chair of The
>     CRISP Team)
>     >
>     > Jonathan
>     >
>     > -----
>     > Dear Jonathan, Lise and CWG members,
>     >
>     >
>     > The CRISP Team have started sharing observations on the legal
>     input from Sidely.
>     > Once we have completed summarising our obervation, we would like
>     to share it with the CWG, together with any general observation on
>     IPR on the IANA trademark and iana.org <http://iana.org> domain.
>     >
>     > We acknowledge the suggested way forward discussed at the CWG
>     call on Thursday 6 August, which was shared by Jonathan and Lise.
>     > We will discuss this suggestion as well and will get back to you
>     through Jonathan and Lise if we have any feedback.
>     >
>     > Izumi Okutani & Nurani Nimpuno
>     > Chair, Vice-Chair, The CRISP Team
>     > -----
>     >
>     >
>     > On 2015/08/07 16:27, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>     >> All,
>     >>
>     >> Following up from the latest email in this thread. I am able to
>     report that the CWG received its legal input on the IPR on
>     Wednesday this week.
>     >> In addition, yesterday (Thursday 6th August) , at our scheduled
>     CWG meeting, we had the lawyers present the work and we ran a Q&A
>     / discussion.
>     >> Please do consider listening to the audio recording of the
>     meeting and / or reading the transcript as you see fit.
>     >>
>     >> In brief, the outcome was that the CWG requested the following
>     of the chairs:
>     >>
>     >> 1. That we reach out to this group and communicate the current
>     situation.
>     >> 2. That we convene a meeting to discuss and consider the
>     options for a way forward as soon as possible.
>     >> 3. That we consider forming a small group, suggested to contain
>     the group on this email plus possibly some additions (say up to 2
>     per proposing group) and including a representative from ICANN.
>     >> This small group would seek to reconcile the IPR issue across
>     the CWG / CRISP / IANAPLAN and then put this reconciled position
>     back to the Names, Numbers & Protocol communities.
>     >> My personal opinion is that this should be all completed by the
>     close of the ICG public comment period such that we can
>     communicate it to the ICG directly.
>     >>
>     >> We have attached the legal input from Sidley Austin and look
>     forward to your response as soon as possible, primarily to a
>     request to meet to discuss this. Grace will send out a Doodle Poll
>     shortly.
>     >> Hopefully we can discuss the detail in a meeting once you have
>     had a chance to review the input.
>     >>
>     >> Best wishes,
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Jonathan & Lise
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
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