[CWG-Stewardship] CWG - DRAFT discussion document for Singapore V3.5

[Alan Greenberg]

FY15 budget seems to claim total is 3.0M. Can't 
say wheter there are other items scattered around 
that are attributable to IANA without the label on them.

Alan

At 03/02/2015 04:36 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I thought it was a obvious question, but several 
>people did not think so, and seemed to condemn 
>the asking.  Hence I have tried to explain why I 
>thought it important.  Seemed the least I could do.
>
>I think needing to know is not limited to any particular model.
>
>If we can't get a real figure we might be able 
>to calculate something close using some standard reasoning:
>
>Full IANA employe salary budget * ICANN average 
>burden multiplier (including all overhead costs, 
>including senior management costs, 
>administrative costs,  travel, benefits, office space, insurance etc)
>
>Companies geneally have this so they know the 
>costs of adding each new employee - it isn't 
>just salary.  Often this runs 100 - 200% of salary.
>
>Then if we figure out the FTE (full time 
>equivalent) assigned to each of the ICG 
>designated separable operational functions we 
>would have a reasonable back of the envelop 
>figure for the costs per operational 
>community.  While it would be good to someday 
>have the exact figures, such a calculation would 
>at least give us general understanding.
>
>Having once, briefly, been the CEO of a startup, 
>I know this is not high finance and should be 
>trivial for someone that has all the numbers to crunch.
>
>As for the RIR contribution to ICANN, if we 
>assume their approx 1 million contribution is 1% 
>of the total ICANN income (not counting new gTLD 
>windfall and assuming a 100MUSD income), then we 
>have an idea that their contribution to IANA is 
>that same 1% since they are not specifically allocated funds.
>
>Sorry to be so pointed on this, especially since 
>I have never gotten involved in the financial 
>issues at ICANN before.  But it is a critical 
>piece of the puzzle and I think we need all of the pieces.
>
>avri
>
>On 03-Feb-15 22:03, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>One can dive down and find all sorts of reasons 
>>for wanting/needing the budget (for instance, 
>>those who oppose Contract Co want to know by 
>>what percentage the overall budget might grow 
>>with additional structures). But regardless of 
>>the specific rationale, it is reasonable to 
>>assign some numbers to this if only to put the 
>>overall operation in perspective.
>>
>>ICANN presents its budgets base on objective. 
>>This makes complete sense if you want to 
>>identify what a certain objective is costing, 
>>and one would not, for instance want to say 
>>that IT has had it's budget double when all of 
>>the growth is related to once strategic objective that was adopted.
>>
>>But our need is a different one, and if the 
>>financial system cannot deliver what we want 
>>automatically, it should be completely 
>>reasonable to expect someone to do the 
>>calculation by hand. We should not have to be debating this ad infinitum.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>At 03/02/2015 03:35 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I think  these questions ought to asked 
>>>because ICANN, funded mostly by Names, pays for all of IANA's services.
>>>
>>>I think we need to know how much this costs 
>>>and what the various portions cost as we are 
>>>making assumptions about future possible 
>>>plans.  It is part of the stability question 
>>>we need to answer.  Something I know quite 
>>>well is that lack of budget results in lack of stability.
>>>
>>>The ICG has declared the three operational 
>>>entities separate, and each of the three is 
>>>declaring that they could leave ICANN if 
>>>displeased - a position I agree with.  But 
>>>this is a service that cost quite a bit I 
>>>expect and such independence would come at a 
>>>cost.  I think we need know the costs in order 
>>>to figure out this puzzle.  We cannot asume 
>>>that thing could change without know what the costs would be.
>>>
>>>For the Names side, we know that the cost = 
>>>total cost for IANA - costs(Numbers + Protocols).  But what is that in numbers?
>>>
>>>
>>>avri
>>>
>>>On 03-Feb-15 02:34, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>>>
>>>>·         Why are we asking questions about 
>>>>numbers and protocols?  If there is a good 
>>>>reason for that, I suggest that the questions 
>>>>regarding numbers and protocols be separate from the questions for names.
>>>>
>>>>·         Regarding “Are your concerned about 
>>>>the actual costs for operating the IANA 
>>>>functions, for protocols and numbers, given 
>>>>these are currently funded by ICANN.” – Are 
>>>>don’t think it is accurate to say that they 
>>>>are currently funded by ICANN; ICANN may fund 
>>>>some costs but a large part of the RIR and 
>>>>IETF functions are not funded by ICANN.
>>>
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