[CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Tue Feb 24 16:50:05 UTC 2015


Hi,

Was with you until the payment of a fee.

Would not some of the arguments we have heard about the effect of ICANN
money being persuasive, mean that our rapporteur could not be paid?

avri

On 25-Feb-15 13:33, Kurt Pritz wrote:
> Why not make Kieren the rapporteur? That would add transparency, take
> the reporting load off of the other participants, and he is a
> professional. He could be paid a fee by ICANN. 
>
> Kurt
>
>
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> And for balance, if we add another non lawyer, perhaps we then also
>> need to add another lawyer.
>>
>> Personally i never understood before that it takes this long to find
>> legal advice.
>>
>> avri
>>
>> On 25-Feb-15 12:22, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, maybe we could cool down some of the concerns if you just added
>>> Kieren and one other independent to it.
>>>
>>> (I am NOT volunteering!)
>>>
>>> --MM
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:*cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
>>> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kieren
>>> McCarthy
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 PM
>>> *To:* Gomes, Chuck
>>> *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org Stewardship
>>> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> > How do we balance functionality and timely efficiency with
>>> allowing full openness to all?
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> I don't see many others asking to join this committee so I'm not
>>> sure this question is valid.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> What I would be more concerned about is if the first proper decision
>>> made by this group is done within a small group that refused to
>>> allows others in, even when asked.
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> Kieren
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com
>>> <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Kieren,
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     How do we balance functionality and timely efficiency with
>>>     allowing full openness to all?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Chuck
>>>
>>>      
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -------- Original message --------
>>>     From: Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:kierenmccarthy at gmail.com>>
>>>     Date:02/24/2015 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>     To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com
>>>     <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
>>>
>>>     Cc: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>, "cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>>>     <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> Stewardship"
>>>     <cwg-stewardship at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
>>>
>>>     So far with this transition process, every group has been open
>>>     to all those who wish to join with an expectation of
>>>     participation. 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     I would expect those same rules to apply here. 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>     It strikes me that it would set a dangerous precedent if the
>>>     chairs are allowed to create a closed group at any time.
>>>
>>>      
>>>      
>>>      
>>>
>>>     Kieren
>>>
>>>      
>>>      
>>>
>>>     On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Gomes, Chuck
>>>     <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         In my opinion, as soon as we open this up to others it will
>>>         become too large to be effective in what I believe will need
>>>         to be an interactive process with the legal team selected. I
>>>         personally favor keeping it as is and require transparency
>>>         and regular interaction by the 4 members with the CWG.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Chuck
>>>
>>>          
>>>          
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         -------- Original message --------
>>>         From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
>>>         Date:02/24/2015 1:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>         To: Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com
>>>         <mailto:kierenmccarthy at gmail.com>>
>>>         Cc: "cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>>>         <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> Stewardship"
>>>         <cwg-stewardship at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>>
>>>         Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
>>>
>>>         I will leave this to our CWG chairs, who convened the
>>>         committee.  I am just a humble servant.
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         Greg
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Kieren McCarthy
>>>         <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com <mailto:kierenmccarthy at gmail.com>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>             I'd be interested in joining this group, help contribute.
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Can you advise how I join?
>>>
>>>              
>>>              
>>>
>>>             Kieren
>>>
>>>
>>>             -
>>>             [sent through phone]
>>>
>>>              
>>>
>>>             On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Greg Shatan
>>>             <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 The client committee is myself, Maarten Simon,
>>>                 Jonathan Robinson and Lise Fuhr.
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 Greg Shatan
>>>
>>>                  
>>>
>>>                 On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM, CW Lists
>>>                 <lists at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>>                 <mailto:lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Who are the members of the Client Committee?
>>>
>>>                      
>>>
>>>                     CW
>>>
>>>                      
>>>                      
>>>
>>>                     On 24 Feb 2015, at 06:33, Kieren McCarthy
>>>                     <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com
>>>                     <mailto:kierenmccarthy at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                      
>>>
>>>                         Can I assume you will be posting the three
>>>                         remaining law firms responses to this list,
>>>                         albeit with identifying information removed?
>>>
>>>                          
>>>
>>>                         Kieren
>>>
>>>
>>>                         -
>>>                         [sent through phone]
>>>
>>>                          
>>>
>>>                         On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Greg
>>>                         Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>>>                         <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                             All:
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             I write to update you all on the
>>>                             activities of the Client Committee.
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             The Client Committee met on Friday,
>>>                             February 20.  Also attending were
>>>                             representatives of ICANN legal, since
>>>                             they will need to play a role in the
>>>                             selection and engagement of counsel.
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             We had initially identified a total of
>>>                             eight firms. Each firm has appropriate
>>>                             expertise in corporate governance,
>>>                             non-profit matters, trusts, etc.  Each
>>>                             firm also has a strong California
>>>                             presence, as well as other offices in
>>>                             the US and other countries.  
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             One firm has withdrawn due to workload
>>>                             issues.  Four firms have withdrawn due
>>>                             to client conflicts
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             We are left with a short list of three
>>>                             firms.  Each of these firms has now sent
>>>                             us a document discussing their relevant
>>>                             capabilities.  At least one member of
>>>                             the client committee has had a
>>>                             preliminary discussion with each firm. 
>>>                             We are now in the process of setting up
>>>                             a series of follow-up calls for this
>>>                             week between the Client Committee and
>>>                             each firm.
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             While we would like to reveal the names
>>>                             of the firms remaining on the short
>>>                             list, at this point, it is premature to
>>>                             do so.  We will need to ask each firm
>>>                             permission to identify it to this
>>>                             group.  We will discuss this with them
>>>                             during our calls this week.
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             We will keep the CWG updated on our
>>>                             progress.
>>>
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             Best regards,
>>>
>>>                              
>>>                              
>>>
>>>                             Greg Shatan
>>>
>>>                             for the Client Committee 
>>>
>>>                              
>>>                              
>>>
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