[CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
Kurt Pritz
kpritz at thedna.org
Wed Feb 25 19:47:31 UTC 2015
Hi Avri:
That thought on fees was meant as an aside. I didn't mean for it to distract attention from the main idea.
I was trying to find a way for this group to easily admit Kieren, get benefit out of his participation, provide transparency, and end the distracting discussion about membership in that group.
Because the topic is on the table: a fee could be justified if we were giving only the reporting role and not a participant's role in the discussion. Kieren's role here would be exactly how he makes his living (reporting on ICANN) so I felt odd for volunteering him without making a statement like that.
I still recommend that the team admit Kieren and ask him to take the reporting role for the reasons above. Just drop the fee part. It is another distraction from the big issues at hand.
Thanks for asking,
Kurt
On Feb 24, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Was with you until the payment of a fee.
>
> Would not some of the arguments we have heard about the effect of ICANN money being persuasive, mean that our rapporteur could not be paid?
>
> avri
>
> On 25-Feb-15 13:33, Kurt Pritz wrote:
>> Why not make Kieren the rapporteur? That would add transparency, take the reporting load off of the other participants, and he is a professional. He could be paid a fee by ICANN.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> And for balance, if we add another non lawyer, perhaps we then also need to add another lawyer.
>>>
>>> Personally i never understood before that it takes this long to find legal advice.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>> On 25-Feb-15 12:22, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>>> Yes, maybe we could cool down some of the concerns if you just added Kieren and one other independent to it.
>>>>
>>>> (I am NOT volunteering!)
>>>>
>>>> --MM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kieren McCarthy
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 6:56 PM
>>>> To: Gomes, Chuck
>>>> Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org Stewardship
>>>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > How do we balance functionality and timely efficiency with allowing full openness to all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't see many others asking to join this committee so I'm not sure this question is valid.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I would be more concerned about is if the first proper decision made by this group is done within a small group that refused to allows others in, even when asked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kieren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Kieren,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How do we balance functionality and timely efficiency with allowing full openness to all?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com>
>>>> Date:02/24/2015 1:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>>
>>>> Cc: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>, "cwg-stewardship at icann.org Stewardship" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
>>>>
>>>> So far with this transition process, every group has been open to all those who wish to join with an expectation of participation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would expect those same rules to apply here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It strikes me that it would set a dangerous precedent if the chairs are allowed to create a closed group at any time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kieren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, as soon as we open this up to others it will become too large to be effective in what I believe will need to be an interactive process with the legal team selected. I personally favor keeping it as is and require transparency and regular interaction by the 4 members with the CWG.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>>>> Date:02/24/2015 1:01 PM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "cwg-stewardship at icann.org Stewardship" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Client Committee Update
>>>>
>>>> I will leave this to our CWG chairs, who convened the committee. I am just a humble servant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested in joining this group, help contribute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you advise how I join?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kieren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> [sent through phone]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The client committee is myself, Maarten Simon, Jonathan Robinson and Lise Fuhr.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Shatan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:04 AM, CW Lists <lists at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Who are the members of the Client Committee?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CW
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Feb 2015, at 06:33, Kieren McCarthy <kierenmccarthy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can I assume you will be posting the three remaining law firms responses to this list, albeit with identifying information removed?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kieren
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> [sent through phone]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I write to update you all on the activities of the Client Committee.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Client Committee met on Friday, February 20. Also attending were representatives of ICANN legal, since they will need to play a role in the selection and engagement of counsel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had initially identified a total of eight firms. Each firm has appropriate expertise in corporate governance, non-profit matters, trusts, etc. Each firm also has a strong California presence, as well as other offices in the US and other countries.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One firm has withdrawn due to workload issues. Four firms have withdrawn due to client conflicts
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are left with a short list of three firms. Each of these firms has now sent us a document discussing their relevant capabilities. At least one member of the client committee has had a preliminary discussion with each firm. We are now in the process of setting up a series of follow-up calls for this week between the Client Committee and each firm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> While we would like to reveal the names of the firms remaining on the short list, at this point, it is premature to do so. We will need to ask each firm permission to identify it to this group. We will discuss this with them during our calls this week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We will keep the CWG updated on our progress.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greg Shatan
>>>>
>>>> for the Client Committee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gregory S. Shatan ï Abelman Frayne & Schwab
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Gregory S. Shatan ï Abelman Frayne & Schwab
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> 666 Third Avenue | New York, NY 10017-5621
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Gregory S. Shatan ï Abelman Frayne & Schwab
>>>>
>>>> Partner | IP | Technology | Media | Internet
>>>>
>>>> 666 Third Avenue | New York, NY 10017-5621
>>>>
>>>> Direct 212-885-9253 | Main 212-949-9022
>>>>
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>>>>
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