[CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability (UPDATED)

Wed Jan 21 11:08:23 UTC 2015

I am in agreement with these points i.e. the CWG does not approve the CCWG
work but needs to effectively communicate whether or not it (the CWG) views
the conditions as having been met by the CCWG proposal (or need refining).
Ideally, it is only referred to the chartering organisations once this is
the case.

Jonathan

From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com] 
Sent: 20 January 2015 21:46
To: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; jrobinson at afilias.info;
cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability
(UPDATED)

I don’t think we are in disagreement Olivier.  I just was concerned that we
leave the impression that the CWG has to approve the CCWG work stream 1
work.  Like the following wording you suggested: “Receive communication from
CWG-IANA if accountability requirements identified need further refining”.  

Chuck

From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond [mailto:ocl at gih.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:00 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; jrobinson at afilias.info; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability
(UPDATED)

Jonathan,

thanks for the update. I find the updated chart to be an improvement.
Chuck mentions that it is [not] "the responsibility of the IANA CWG or its
chartering organizations to approve the CCWG work stream 1 except to the
extent that they impact our recommendations".
I have two comments:
1. Isn't it up to the chartering organisations to approve the Accountability
CCWG work?
2. I note that there doesn't appear to be any charter-mandated approval of
WS1 work relating to IANA by the IANA Stewardship CWG but would appreciate
if there was a way to let WS1 know if they've fulfilled the needs of the
IANA Stewardship CWG for its own proposal - so I support the change. Perhaps
change the text to: "Receive communication from CWG-IANA if accountability
requirements identified need further refining", or insert "IANA" somewhere
in this sentence and the previous box too, so as to reduce the
"accountability" scope to "IANA CWG related accountability scope".

Kindest regards,

Olivier 

On 19/01/2015 22:54, Gomes, Chuck wrote:

Jonathan,

Most of the changes you made seem useful to me but I don’t think it is the
responsibility of the IANA CWG or its chartering organizations to approve
the CCWG work stream 1 recommendations except to the extent that they impact
our recommendations.  Our task will be to determine whether the
accountability recommendations from work stream 1 satisfy our needs with
respect to CWG recommendations; that may or may not involve all of the work
stream 1 recommendations.  Maybe I am nitpicking; if so let me know.

Chuck

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[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Robinson
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 4:30 PM
To: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability
(UPDATED)

All,

In reviewing the flow-chart, I felt it could do with some revisions as I
have commented on a number of occasions. 

Most strikingly, the phrase “conditional accountability” has been causing
some issues in that it’s not clear what this means, especially to the CCWG
on Accountability, as was evidenced by reference to it on various occasions
during their face-to-face meeting today.  What I understand that we mean by
“conditional accountability” is that we view our proposal is conditional on
specific accountability measures being put in place.

Please see below for a summary of the changes which are encapsulated in the
updated flow chart. 

The changes in the attached are as follows:

*	Changed ‘final proposal identifying conditional accountability
requirements’ to ‘final conditional proposal identifying accountability
requirements'
*	Added dotted line and dotted box to indicate that CWG-IANA would
communicate to CCWG-Accountability in case it considers that accountability
requirements are not met
*	Updated (in bold) that chartering organisations would consider and
approve (or not) work stream 1 recommendations and confirm whether
accountability requirements have been met (or not)
*	Updated (in bold) that the ICG would receive communication from
chartering organisations / CWG-IANA

As ever, any comments or incremental improvements / developments welcome.

Jonathan

From: Jonathan Robinson [mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info] 
Sent: 14 January 2015 08:56
To: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
Cc: Lise Fuhr (lise.fuhr at difo.dk)
Subject: Chart on CWG link with CCWG on Accountability

All,

Please see attached for a draft / proposal for the mechanics and flow of
linking the work of this CWG with that of the CCWG on Accountability.

As you know, this is a critical area of our work. Accordingly, this chart is
provided to facilitate discussion on the subject and to assist us in getting
to a common CWG view of the linkage and relationship.

Thank-you,

Jonathan & Lise

Co-chairs

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