[CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.

Milton L Mueller mueller at syr.edu
Fri May 8 19:58:53 UTC 2015


Better read the letter carefully, Paul
It is pure 100% distilled essence of ICANN legal. 
As I read the letter, they have not given you anything that is not already published on the web. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-
> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul M Kane - CWG
> Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 2:50 PM
> To: Grace Abuhamad
> Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with
> clarifying background info.
> 
> Grace,
> 
> Many thanks for helping DT-A obtain the current detailed IANA work
> flow information....
> 
> Have a great w/end
> 
> Best
> 
> Paul
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-
> cwg at icb.co.uk> -----
>     Date: Fri,  8 May 2015 19:42:18 +0100
>     From: Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
> Reply-To: Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
>  Subject: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.
>       To: Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>
> 
> Thanks Elise
> 
> I confirm receipt of the response from ICANN Legal following our DIDP
> request.
> 
> On or after the 12th May 2015, we look forward to receiving the
> current detailed IANA process workflow documents (with comments
> as to why any "sensitive"
> information has been redacted) so we can work cooperatively with
> you to create a professional Service Level Expectation (SLE) document
> for the benefit of the whole community.
> 
> Have a great w/end
> 
> Best
> 
> Paul
> 
> Quoting Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>:
> 
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > ICANN has published its response on the ICANN website to your
> request
> > for workflow documents.
> > https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/transparency-
> en
> >
> > I just wanted to send a quick note to confirm that you had received
> > the response.
> >
> > Regards,
> > -- Elise
> >
> >
> > From:  Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
> > Date:  Friday, May 1, 2015 at 10:32 AM
> > To:  Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>
> > Cc:  "dt1 at icann.org" <dt1 at icann.org>, Kim Davies
> > <kim.davies at icann.org>, Samantha Eisner
> <Samantha.Eisner at icann.org>
> > Subject:  Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background
> info.
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks Elise - I appreciate you are trying to have the work-flow
> > > documents released to the SLE Design Team.
> > >
> > > Once we have the work-flow documents, it would be great to have
> a
> > > call to discuss how our findings of real-world activity ensure the
> > > SLE captures
> > all
> > > aspects of the RZM process.
> > >
> > > I also welcome and agree with Theresa's comments below:
> > >
> > > Quoting Theresa Swinehart <theresa.swinehart at icann.org>:
> > >
> > >
> > >>  We have no desire to affect the results of the  community
> > >> processes. We also believe that it would be more appropriate
> > to
> > >>  maintain the status quo until the conclusion of the transition
> > >> process
> > to
> > >>  not pre-empt or create a perception of pre-empting any of the
> > >> community  consensus process around any areas in the
> finalization
> > >> of the
> > transition.
> > >
> > > Samantha - would you please expedite the process please.  NTIA
> are
> > > yet to receive your request to share ICANN's internal IANA work-
> flow
> > > diagrams
> > with
> > > the
> > > Design Team.
> > >
> > > Have a great w/end all
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>:
> > >
> > >>  Hello Paul,
> > >>
> > >>  We too would like to help you finalize the Service Level
> > >> Expectation  document and are awaiting all necessary
> authorizations
> > >> to release the  documents in question.
> > >>
> > >>  May I suggest, in the mean time,  that we schedule another
> > teleconference
> > >>  with Design Team A to review line by line the SLEs that are in the
> > >> draft  document to understand what is requested and to provide
> > >> preliminary
> > feedback
> > >>  on feasibility of implementation.  This would enable the design
> > >> team to  continue work on refining its draft.
> > >>
> > >>  Best regards,
> > >>  -- Elise
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  From:  Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
> > >>  Date:  Tuesday, April 28, 2015 at 2:00 AM
> > >>  To:  Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>
> > >>  Cc:  "dt1 at icann.org" <dt1 at icann.org>, Kim Davies
> > >> <kim.davies at icann.org>
> > >>  Subject:  Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background
> info.
> > >>
> > >>>  > Morning Elise
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > We are trying to finalise the Service Level Expectation
> > >>> document for
> > the
> > >>  IANA
> > >>>  > transition.
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > Would you please provide the work-flow documents you
> current
> > >>> have so
> > we
> > >>  can
> > >>>  > capture what you are doing now and discuss with you which
> steps
> > >>> you
> > >>  consider
> > >>>  > are
> > >>>  > to be removed as part of NTIA's withdrawal from the process.
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > The balance of the IANA RZM work flow documents can follow
> and
> > >>> be
> > >>  discussed,
> > >>>  > later.
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > I understand that IANA RZM uses a ticketing system to initiate
> > >>> and receive  > emails to Registry customers. Please ensure that
> > >>> technical resource
> > are
> > >>>  > available (as is standard industry practice) to enable IANA to
> > >>  automatically
> > >>>  > monitor each transaction and collect statistics on its
> > >>> customers use
> > of
> > >>  the
> > >>>  > ticketing system.
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > Speak soon I hope
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > Best
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > Paul
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > Quoting Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>:
> > >>>  >
> > >>>>  >>  Hello Jay,
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >>  PaulÃ,¹s email requested Ã,³access to all work-flow
> > >>>> process
> > documentsÃ,²
> > for
> > >>  the
> > >>>>  >>  root zone management function.  Including sub-processes,
> > >>>> there are quite
> > >>  a
> > >>>>  >>  few work flow processes for the root zone function. We
> are
> > reviewing
> > all
> > >>  of
> > >>>>  >>  them as per the request.
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >>  Let me assure you we are not creating new documentation
> in
> > >>>> response
> > to
> > >>  the
> > >>>>  >>  request, and we are proceeding as fast as possible to
> > >>>> fulfill the
> > >>  request.
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >>  Best regards,
> > >>>>  >>  -- Elise
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>  >>  From:  Jay Daley <jay at nzrs.net.nz>  >>  Date:  Sunday,
> April
> > >>>> 19, 2015 at 1:33 PM  >>  To:  "dt1 at icann.org" <dt1 at icann.org>
> >>
> > >>>> Cc:  Kim Davies <kim.davies at icann.org>, Elise Gerich  >>
> > >>>> <elise.gerich at icann.org>  >>  Subject:  Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE
> > >>>> Document with clarifying background
> > >>>>
> > info.
> > >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > Morning all
> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > i donÃ,¹t see much point in us having this call
> > >>>>>> without the
> > >>  documentation
> > >>>>  >>  from
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > IANA.  The screenshot of the process flow (thanks
> > >>>>>> Elise)
> > looks
> > pretty
> > >>>>>  >>>
> > >>  much
> > >>>>  >>  the
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > same as the process flow encoded in the
> expectations of
> > >>>>>> the proposed
> > >>  SLA,
> > >>>>  >>  so
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > we really need to see the more detailed process flow
> to
> > >>>>>> understand
> > >>  the
> > >>>>  >>  issues
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > Kim raised in the last call.
> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > It sounds as if IANA are bundling a whole lot of things
> > together
> > to
> > >>  send
> > >>>>  >>  us
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > when we would benefit from the process flow being
> sent
> > >>>>>> as soon
> > as
> > >>>>>  >>> possible
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > (since it must already exist, all it requires is NTIA
> > >>>>>> permission).
> > >>  The
> > >>>>  >>  other
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > documents, currently being written, can come later.
> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > If we do go ahead then I can make this time.  If we
> > >>>>>> bring it
> > forward
> > >>  an
> > >>>>  >>  hour
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > then I can only join for 30 minutes (school run).
> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > cheers
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > Jay
> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  On 17/04/2015, at 9:16 pm, Patricio Poblete
> > >>>>>>  >>>> <patricio.poblete at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  Paul,
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  I cannot join the call at this hour (6 pm)  in
> > >>>>>>>> Chile,
> > but I
> > could
> > >>  if
> > >>  it
> > >>>>  >>  was
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >> one hour earlier.
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  Patricio
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  P. S. Please announce also the UTC time  >>>>
> >>
> > >>>>>>>> >>>>  >>  On Apr 17, 2015 4:29 AM, "Paul M Kane - CWG"
> > >>  <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  To give ICANN legal more time to facilitate
> > >>>>>>>> disclosure
> > of
> > the
> > >>  required
> > >>>>  >>  info
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >> may
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  I suggest the time of next call is put back to
> > >>>>>>>> Monday
> > 20th
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  This also gives us time to review our document
> > >>>>>>>> >>>>  >>  >>>>  >>  To have as many participants involved
> in
> > >>>>>>>> the call can I
> > suggest
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  Tuesday 9am Auckland time  >>>>  >>  Monday
> 10 pm
> > >>>>>>>> London time  >>>>  >>  Monday 5pm EST New York  >>>>
> >>
> > >>>>>>>> Monday 2 pm PST LA time  >>>>  >>  >>>>  >>  I think the
> > >>>>>>>> above is correct......
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  Could everyone that is able to attend please
> > >>>>>>>> confirm if
> > this
> > works
> > >>  for
> > >>>>  >>  them
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>  Have a great w/end  >>>>  >>  >>>>  >>  Best
> >>>>
> > >>>>>>>> >>  >>>>  >>  Paul  >>>>  >>  >>>>  >>  Quoting Kim Davies
> > >>>>>>>> <kim.davies at icann.org>:
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > Hi Paul,
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>>>  > > Would you please ask ICANN
> legal to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> check
> > that NTIA has
> > >>  been
> > >>  sent
> > >>>>  >>  the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>>>  > > disclosure request for IANA
> Root
> > Services.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > ICANN is still preparing the bundle of
> > materials
> > that is
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>>> responsive
> > >>>>  >>  to
> > >>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>  >>> your
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > request. Once it has completed the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> internal
> > review
> > process it
> > >>  will be
> > >>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>  >>> sent to
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > NTIA for their permission to disclose.
> As
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> we
> > noted
> > on the
> > >>  call,
> > >>  ICANN
> > >>>>  >>  is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > doing this as quickly as possible
> ââ,¬Â¹
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> not
> > just for
> > this Design
> > >>  Team
> > >>  but
> > >>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>  >>> others
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > that have asked for information
> ââ,¬Â¹
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> but it
> > is not
> > an
> > >>  instantaneous
> > >>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>  >>> process.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > The DIDP process is lead by
> ICANNÃ,¹s
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Legal
> > department but
> > >>  they
> > >>  have
> > >>>>  >>  asked
> > >>>>  >>  us
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > in IANA for clarifications and help
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> compiling
> > the
> > relevant
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>>>
> > >>  internal
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > documentation.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>>>  > > Can the SLE DT we have a call
> on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Monday
> > (20th) next week
> > >>  to
> > >>  run
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>> through
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > your
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>>>  > > comments and all being well
> the
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> flow
> > charts
> > to make sure
> > >>  the
> > >>  SLE
> > >>>>  >>  is
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > complete.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>  >>>>  > > What time (morning) works
> for you?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > At this stage, it looks like I can
> > >>>>>>>>>>>> accommodate
> > any
> > reasonable
> > >>  time on
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > Monday.
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>  >>>  > kim
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
> _______________________________________________
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> > >>>>>>>>  >>>>  >>
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> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>  >>>  >
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > --
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > Jay Daley
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > Chief Executive
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > NZRS Ltd
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > desk: +64 4 931 6977
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > mobile: +64 21 678840
> > >>>>>>  >>>  > linkedin: www.linkedin.com/in/jaydaley  >>>  >  >>>
> >
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