[CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.

Sat May 9 17:45:32 UTC 2015

Hi Chuck,

FWIW you were the first to use the word "corporation" and my point was that
the behavior you postulated is expected. However the operating principles
of a corporation would determine the extent at which the entity respect
public interest. Fixing those operations guideline (principles) will go a
long way at ensuring that ICANN legal indirectly defends public interest
(even though they are required to defend the interest of the corporation).
This is what I believe is one of the items of the CCWG.

@Milton not sure it's a good laugh  sufficient for the whole of the weekend
(depending on your timezone). ;-)

Cheers!
sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 9 May 2015 15:39, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:

>  ICANN is not a normal corporation.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> *From:* Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 09, 2015 9:27 AM
> *To:* Gomes, Chuck
> *Cc:* Paul M Kane - CWG; cwg-stewardship at icann.org; Milton L Mueller
> *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with
> clarifying background info.
>
>
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> ... and that is strange?(I don't think so, it's normal cooperation
> behavior to me) What I think is strange is that public interest does not
> seem to be adequately vested in the corporation's principles which I think
> is one of the aspect the CCWG is looking into (as you rightly hinted)
>
> Cheers!
> sent from Google nexus 4
> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>
> On 9 May 2015 14:20, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Paul, ICANN legal has a long history at putting the
> interests of the corporation over public interests whenever the two
> conflict.  That is a key reason why the community is demanding new and more
> effective accountability mechanisms.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul M Kane - CWG
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2015 5:20 AM
> To: Milton L Mueller
> Cc: 'cwg-stewardship at icann.org'
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with
> clarifying background info.
>
> Thanks Milton
>
> I sincerely hope that ICANN legal are NOT interfering with how IANA staff
> deliver technical services to the community.
>
> What DT-A has done is capture the current performance delivered by IANA as
> the baseline for any post transition SLE - see the a draft SLE document
> under discussion attached......
>
> Currently IANA delivers to the community Name Server updates, DS Record
> updates, WHOIS updates well within a week - and this includes having NTIA
> in the loop - so having an SLA that stipulates 21days for such tasks is
> clearly no longer fit for purpose.
>
> Attached is the statistical analysis of current performance based on
> IANA's data presented to the CWG in March
>
> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52891144/DT-A_Statistical-Final.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1426003475000&api=v2
>
> I genuinely believe IANA staff are trying to provide the information (true
> IANA needs to invest in monitoring the performance of their RZM systems -
> but that is trivial, two days of a competent programmers time would provide
> IANA and the community with the required matrices).
>
> It would be a great shame for ICANN legal to prevent the IANA service
> which is delivered to the community today from being accurately captured by
> the SLE Group.... time will tell... and I am optimistic we will receive
> constructive input.
>
> Best
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Quoting Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu>:
>
> > Better read the letter carefully, Paul It is pure 100% distilled
> > essence of ICANN legal.
> > As I read the letter, they have not given you anything that is not
> > already published on the web.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-
> > > bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Paul M Kane - CWG
> > > Sent: Friday, May 8, 2015 2:50 PM
> > > To: Grace Abuhamad
> > > Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> > > Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with
> > > clarifying background info.
> > >
> > > Grace,
> > >
> > > Many thanks for helping DT-A obtain the current detailed IANA work
> > > flow information....
> > >
> > > Have a great w/end
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Forwarded message from Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-
> > > cwg at icb.co.uk> -----
> > >     Date: Fri,  8 May 2015 19:42:18 +0100
> > >     From: Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
> > > Reply-To: Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
> > >  Subject: Re: [DTA - SLE] SLE Document with clarifying background info.
> > >       To: Elise Gerich <elise.gerich at icann.org>
> > >
> > > Thanks Elise
> > >
> > > I confirm receipt of the response from ICANN Legal following our
> > > DIDP request.
> > >
> > > On or after the 12th May 2015, we look forward to receiving the
> > > current detailed IANA process workflow documents (with comments as
> > > to why any "sensitive"
> > > information has been redacted) so we can work cooperatively with you
> > > to create a professional Service Level Expectation (SLE) document
> > > for the benefit of the whole community.
> > >
> > > Have a great w/end
> > >
> > > Best
> > >
> > > Paul
>
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