[CWG-Stewardship] Fate of the .INT domain

Fri May 15 08:36:16 UTC 2015

Speaking of .INT, I am very surprised that there has been no discussion of IANA divesting .INT and putting it in someone else’s hands. While this is not a particularly urgent issue for the transition, it seems obvious to me that IANA, as the root zone file administrator, should not be in the business of running a TLD registry for international intergovernmental organizations. Why has this issue not surfaced?

--MM

From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:09 PM
To: Greg Shatan
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Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch list items considered by CSC Design Team

You are correct Greg.  Donna set me straight.  It would help if I read all of the DT-C notes.

Chuck

From: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:53 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: CW Lists; Donna Austin; cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> IANA
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch list items considered by CSC Design Team

Chuck,

I'm not too sure about that.  The punch list, asks the question "Composition: who will select the TLD representative that is not a ccTLD or gTLD registry?" so it seems to refer to a single representative, and one that is not a ccTLD or gTLD (regardless of membership in any ICANN structure).  The punch list further refers to Annex G, page 59.  Page 59 has the following list of proposed Registry members of the CSC:

•        2 x gTLD registry operators
•        2 x ccTLD registry operators
•        1 additional TLD representative not considered a ccTLD or gTLD registry operator such as the IAB for .ARPA could also be included in the minimum requirements but is not mandatory

Based on these data points, it appears that DT C is discussing the third bullet point, which gives .ARPA as an example.  (The third bulletpoint also notes this "seat" is not "mandatory.")  Therefore, it does look like the reference is to that very limited universe cited by Christopher Wilkinson: .ARPA (IANA/IAB), .INT (IANA), .MIL (US Dept of Defense), .EDU (US Dept of Commerce/Dept of Education/Educause), .GOV (US General Services Admin).  (There are other "sTLDs" but these now seem to be considered gTLDs for all intents and purposes, such as .mobi, .travel, .xxx, etc.)

I don't see the harm in having a seat for these 5 (really 4, since as Martin notes, it would be odd to have the .INT operator (IANA) in the CSC) registries, since as Martin also notes, they do not otherwise have a direct voice or a natural channel through the GNSO or ccNSO.

Greg

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
Christopher,

I am not on DT-C so I cannot speak for them, but my understanding is that they were talking about TLD registries that are not members of the ccNSO or RySG.  Regardless, I think you raise an important issue that should be considered.

Chuck

From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of CW Lists
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To: Donna Austin; cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> IANA
Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch list items considered by CSC Design Team

Dear Donna, Dear Friends and Colleagues:

With reference to the DT-C notes on the 'Punch List', attached, for which I thank you, allow me a short comment on Point 11: CSC Composition.

The concept of a TLD that is not a ccTLD or a gTLD is rather obscure. Many would consider that there are none such. However, internal evidence suggests that CWG considers that there are some.

In which case, to the best of my knowledge, the only candidates are .int, .gov, .edu and .mil. or .arpa,
thus the DT-C comments under point 11, would appear to be a rather odd circumlocution, if the intention is to ensure that the USG-based TLDs, or the ICANN-based TLDs, would somehow have an 'extra' seat on the CSC.

I drew this question to your attention in my mail, below, of 26 February, but did not receive a reply.
Having reviewed in some detail the most recent version of the CWG transition proposal, I still find no reference to the above TLDs (with the exception of .int)

Indeed, if it is the CWG position that these TLDs should be somehow 'grandfathered' outside the IANA transition, then may I suggest that it behoves someone - not excluding NTIA - to say so clearly, now.
Otherwise there will be a lingering misunderstanding that would sit uncomfortably with the underlying proposition that the IANA transition is to the global multistakeholder Internet community.

Regards

CW

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From: CW Lists <lists at christopherwilkinson.eu<mailto:lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Draft Proposal Version 2.0
Date: 26 Feb 2015 13:50:44 GMT+01:00
To: Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr at difo.dk<mailto:lise.fuhr at difo.dk>>, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
Cc: "cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org> Stewardship" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>>

Jonathan, Lise:

Thankyou for another draft magnum opus. As you say there are several aspects to be completed in greater detail.

Meanwhile, may I point out that under:
I. The Community’s Use of the IANA

- and indeed in the whole document,  there is no reference to the TLDs: .gov, .mil, .edu and .arpa.
These are not gTLDs, as the reference to .int confirms. For the sake of completeness, it would not be appropriate to ignore them.

Regards

CW

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From: Donna Austin <Donna.Austin at ariservices.com<mailto:Donna.Austin at ariservices.com>>
Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Sidley punch list items considered by CSC Design Team
Date: 13 May 2015 19:05:12 GMT+02:00
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All

As noted on Tuesday’s call, DT-C had a call to address DT-C items on Sidley’s punch list.

Attached are our comments.

Happy to answer any questions.

Thanks,

Donna

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