[CWG-Stewardship] Fate of the .INT domain
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Fri May 15 15:17:36 UTC 2015
But is changing it REALLY on our critical path?
Alan
At 15/05/2015 04:36 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
>Speaking of .INT, I am very surprised that there
>has been no discussion of IANA divesting .INT
>and putting it in someone else’s hands. While
>this is not a particularly urgent issue for the
>transition, it seems obvious to me that IANA, as
>the root zone file administrator, should not be
>in the business of running a TLD registry for
>international intergovernmental organizations.
>Why has this issue not surfaced?
>
>--MM
>
>From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
>[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:09 PM
>To: Greg Shatan
>Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org IANA
>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch
>list items considered by CSC Design Team
>
>You are correct Greg. Donna set me
>straight. It would help if I read all of the DT-C notes.
>
>Chuck
>
>From: Greg Shatan
>[<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 1:53 PM
>To: Gomes, Chuck
>Cc: CW Lists; Donna Austin;
><mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>cwg-stewardship at icann.org IANA
>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch
>list items considered by CSC Design Team
>
>Chuck,
>
>I'm not too sure about that. The punch list,
>asks the question "Composition: who will select
>the TLD representative that is not a ccTLD or
>gTLD registry?" so it seems to refer to a single
>representative, and one that is not a ccTLD or
>gTLD (regardless of membership in any ICANN
>structure). The punch list further refers to
>Annex G, page 59. Page 59 has the following
>list of proposed Registry members of the CSC:
>
>· 2 x gTLD registry operators
>· 2 x ccTLD registry operators
>· 1 additional TLD representative not
>considered a ccTLD or gTLD registry operator
>such as the IAB for .ARPA could also be included
>in the minimum requirements but is not mandatory
>
>Based on these data points, it appears that DT C
>is discussing the third bullet point, which
>gives .ARPA as an example. (The third
>bulletpoint also notes this "seat" is not
>"mandatory.") Therefore, it does look like the
>reference is to that very limited universe cited
>by Christopher Wilkinson: .ARPA (IANA/IAB), .INT
>(IANA), .MIL (US Dept of Defense), .EDU (US Dept
>of Commerce/Dept of Education/Educause), .GOV
>(US General Services Admin). (There are other
>"sTLDs" but these now seem to be considered
>gTLDs for all intents and purposes, such as .mobi, .travel, .xxx, etc.)
>
>I don't see the harm in having a seat for these
>5 (really 4, since as Martin notes, it would be
>odd to have the .INT operator (IANA) in the CSC)
>registries, since as Martin also notes, they do
>not otherwise have a direct voice or a natural
>channel through the GNSO or ccNSO.
>
>
>Greg
>
>
>
>On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Gomes, Chuck
><<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
>Christopher,
>
>I am not on DT-C so I cannot speak for them, but
>my understanding is that they were talking about
>TLD registries that are not members of the ccNSO
>or RySG. Regardless, I think you raise an
>important issue that should be considered.
>
>Chuck
>
>From:
><mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
>[mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of CW Lists
>Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 12:50 PM
>To: Donna Austin;
><mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>cwg-stewardship at icann.org IANA
>Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Fwd: Sidley punch
>list items considered by CSC Design Team
>
>Dear Donna, Dear Friends and Colleagues:
>
>With reference to the DT-C notes on the 'Punch
>List', attached, for which I thank you, allow me
>a short comment on Point 11: CSC Composition.
>
>The concept of a TLD that is not a ccTLD or a
>gTLD is rather obscure. Many would consider that
>there are none such. However, internal evidence
>suggests that CWG considers that there are some.
>
>In which case, to the best of my knowledge, the
>only candidates are .int, .gov, .edu and .mil. or .arpa,
>thus the DT-C comments under point 11, would
>appear to be a rather odd circumlocution, if the
>intention is to ensure that the USG-based TLDs,
>or the ICANN-based TLDs, would somehow have an 'extra' seat on the CSC.
>
>I drew this question to your attention in my
>mail, below, of 26 February, but did not receive a reply.
>Having reviewed in some detail the most recent
>version of the CWG transition proposal, I still
>find no reference to the above TLDs (with the exception of .int)
>
>Indeed, if it is the CWG position that these
>TLDs should be somehow 'grandfathered' outside
>the IANA transition, then may I suggest that it
>behoves someone - not excluding NTIA - to say so clearly, now.
>Otherwise there will be a lingering
>misunderstanding that would sit uncomfortably
>with the underlying proposition that the IANA
>transition is to the global multistakeholder Internet community.
>
>Regards
>
>CW
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: CW Lists
><<mailto:lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>lists at christopherwilkinson.eu>
>Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Draft Proposal Version 2.0
>Date: 26 Feb 2015 13:50:44 GMT+01:00
>To: Lise Fuhr
><<mailto:lise.fuhr at difo.dk>lise.fuhr at difo.dk>,
>Jonathan Robinson <<mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>jrobinson at afilias.info>
>Cc:
>"<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>Stewardship" <<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>
>Jonathan, Lise:
>
>Thankyou for another draft magnum opus. As you
>say there are several aspects to be completed in greater detail.
>
>Meanwhile, may I point out that under:
>I. The Community’s Use of the IANA
>
>- and indeed in the whole document, there is no
>reference to the TLDs: .gov, .mil, .edu and .arpa.
>These are not gTLDs, as the reference to .int
>confirms. For the sake of completeness, it would
>not be appropriate to ignore them.
>
>Regards
>
>CW
>
>
>Begin forwarded message:
>
>From: Donna Austin
><<mailto:Donna.Austin at ariservices.com>Donna.Austin at ariservices.com>
>Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Sidley punch list
>items considered by CSC Design Team
>Date: 13 May 2015 19:05:12 GMT+02:00
>To:
>"<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>cwg-stewardship at icann.org"
><<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>Cc: "<mailto:dt3 at icann.org>dt3 at icann.org"
><<mailto:dt3 at icann.org>dt3 at icann.org>
>
>All
>
>As noted on Tuesday’s call, DT-C had a call to
>address DT-C items on Sidley’s punch list.
>
>Attached are our comments.
>
>Happy to answer any questions.
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Donna
>
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