[CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Tue Jul 26 19:08:59 UTC 2016


+1, seem fine as well.

Regards
Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos

On 26 Jul 2016 3:35 p.m., "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:

> Looks good to me as well.
>
> Chuck
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 'ajs at anvilwalrusden.com' [mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 9:52 AM
> To: Flanagan, Sharon
> Cc: Gomes, Chuck; 'mshears at cdt.org'; 'seun.ojedeji at gmail.com'; '
> lise.fuhr at difo.dk'; 'cwg-stewardship at icann.org'; 'jrobinson at afilias.info'
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI
>
> No objection here.
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 01:01:49PM +0000, Flanagan, Sharon wrote:
> > Dear all-
> >
> > Below is proposed language for the PTI purpose that Sidley and ICANN
> legal worked through. We believe this language captures the intent of the
> CWG proposal while also meeting the tax requirements for a non-profit
> "supporting organization".
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Sharon
> >
> >
> > "The specific purpose of the corporation is to operate exclusively to
> carry out the purposes of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers (“ICANN”) by performing the IANA functions on behalf of ICANN."
> >
> > Sharon R. Flanagan
> > Sidley Austin LLP
> > SF tel: 415-772-1271
> > PA tel: 650-565-7008
> > Email: sflanagan at sidley.com
> >
> >
> > From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 12:49 PM
> > To: matthew shears <mshears at cdt.org>; Seun Ojedeji
> > <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Lise Fuhr <lise.fuhr at difo.dk>; Andrew Sullivan
> > <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> > <cwg-stewardship at icann.org>; jrobinson at afilias.info
> > <jrobinson at afilias.info>; Flanagan, Sharon
> > Subject: RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI
> >
> > Let’s let Sharon and Sam help us word this as planned on the call
> yesterday.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > From: matthew shears [mailto:mshears at cdt.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 1:07 PM
> > To: Seun Ojedeji
> > Cc: Lise Fuhr; Andrew Sullivan; cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
> > jrobinson at afilias.info; Flanagan, Sharon; Gomes, Chuck
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI
> >
> >
> > Not sure I see the need or value of that additional clause.   Unless
> there is a very good legal reason for doing so we should avoid layering
> this with unnecessary qualifiers.
> >
> > On 20/07/2016 17:51, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> >
> > That could work as well(even though I prefer Andrew's modification), but
> not without including "...exclusively for the benefit of,.." in the text
> which will then result to the following:
> >
> > "The specific purpose of the corporation is to perform the IANA
> functions on behalf of, and exclusively for the benefit of, the Internet
> Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (“*ICANN*”)."
> >
> > That ensures that PTI remains member(i.e ICANN) driven.
> >
> > Regards
> > Sent from my LG G4
> > Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >
> > On 20 Jul 2016 5:41 p.m., "matthew shears" <mshears at cdt.org<mailto:
> mshears at cdt.org>> wrote:
> >
> > I'm wondering if we even need to go to that next level.  In the Services
> Agreement draft it says:   "WHEREAS, following the IANA Stewardship
> Transition, PTI will perform the IANA
> > functions on behalf of ICANN;"
> >
> > So rather than making it more vague/complicated than necessary, why
> wouldn't the PTI bylaws state the following:
> >
> > "The specific purpose of the corporation is to perform the IANA
> functions on behalf of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers (“*ICANN*”)."
> >
> > That is its purpose.  Thanks.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> > On 20/07/2016 17:18, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
> >
> > Copying in Sharon from Sidley as suggested by Greg on yesterday's CWG
> call.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com]
> >
> > Sent: 19 July 2016 14:31
> >
> > To: 'Andrew Sullivan'
> > <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com><mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>;
> > cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI
> >
> >
> >
> > Andrew's suggestion works for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From:
> > cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann
> > .org> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
> > Sullivan
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 9:26 AM
> >
> > To: cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI
> >
> >
> >
> > I think you are rapidly walking in to angry terminological disputes that
> will delay the incorporation of PTI.
> >
> >
> >
> > What about saying something like "relating to certain Internet
> registries and certain Internet Domain Name System zones, consistent with
> ICANN's Mission," or something like that?
> >
> >
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:22:53AM -0400, Greg Shatan wrote:
> >
> > I suggest considering something more specific than "relating to IANA
> >
> > services" (especially since the second word in the paragraph is
> >
> > "specific") in stating the purpose of PTI, since "IANA services" is
> >
> > not a defined term nor is it self-explanatory.  Rather it is a "term
> >
> > of art," and undefined terms of art are generally to be avoided
> >
> > wherever possible in drafting legal documents.
> >
> >
> >
> > We could use the current statement of purpose in the ICANN Articles as
> >
> > a jumping off point, i.e.:
> >
> >
> >
> > The specific purpose of the Corporation is to operate exclusively for
> >
> > the benefit of, to perform the functions of and to carry out the
> >
> > purposes of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
> >
> > (“*ICANN*”), namely (i) coordinating the assignment of Internet
> >
> > technical parameters as needed to maintain universal connectivity on
> >
> > the Internet; (ii) performing and overseeing functions related to the
> coordination of the Internet Protocol ("
> >
> > *IP*") address space; (iii) performing and overseeing functions
> >
> > related to the coordination of the Internet domain name system
> >
> > ("*DNS*"); and (iv) overseeing operation of the authoritative Internet
> DNS root server system.
> >
> >
> >
> > I recognize that we'll probably want to change some of the verbs here
> >
> > to more accurately reflect ICANN/IANA's role vs. that of the IETF and
> >
> > RIRs, but I think this provides a good starting place for an
> >
> > appropriately specific statement of purpose.
> >
> >
> >
> > Greg
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Sivasubramanian M
> >
> > <isolatedn at gmail.com><mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Chuck,
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Gomes, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com
> ><mailto:cgomes at verisign.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Would it work to make the following change:?  “The specific purpose
> >
> > of the Corporation is to operate exclusively for the benefit of, to
> >
> > perform the functions of and to carry out the purposes of the
> >
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (“*ICANN*”) related
> to the IANA services.”
> >
> >
> >
> > ​Even without ​the change, 'related to IANA services' is implied,
> >
> > but there is no harm in saying it explicitly. When PTI operates for
> >
> > the benefit of ICANN, and ICANN is built up on the foundation of a
> >
> > fair accountability framework it, it necessarily follows that PTI
> >
> > would act in global public interest.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sivasubramanian M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with Matthew that it is not PTI’s purpose to perform all of
> >
> > ICANN’s functions and purposes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org<mailto:
> cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:
> >
> > cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann
> > .org>] *On Behalf Of *matthew shears
> >
> > *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2016 5:28 AM
> >
> > *To:* Yuko Green;
> > cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Purpose of PTI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Yuko - thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > As I noted in the CWG chat yesterday I am uncomfortable with this
> >
> > definition of the purpose of PTI:  "The specific purpose of the
> >
> > Corporation is to operate exclusively for the benefit of, to
> >
> > perform the functions of and to carry out the purposes of the
> >
> > Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (“*ICANN*”)."
> >
> >
> >
> > This is very broad and very vague.   My understanding was that the
> >
> > purpose of the PTI subsidiary was to perform the IANA functions
> >
> > pursuant to an inter-company contract established between ICANN and
> >
> > PTI.  This is very different from the proposed language.  Of course
> >
> > we also need to see the inter company agreement to ensure that the
> >
> > purpose of PTI is similarly parametered.
> >
> >
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14/07/2016 19:00, Yuko Green wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear members of the CWG,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From today’s CWG call #82, we stated that we will provide the
> >
> > transcript from the IOTF call where we discussed about the purpose
> >
> > stated within the PTI Bylaws and Articles. Extracted below is the
> >
> > transcript and chat history specifically around this topic. The
> >
> > whole transcript is available at
> >
> > https://www.icann.org/uploads/iana_work_session_asset/attachment/37<ht
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> > 3/1467913551526IOTF_Call__14_transcript_06JUL16.pdf
> >
> > and the AC room recording at https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p3qeid579y7/
> <
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> >.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ****Transcript****
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Kane: In the articles of association, it says the sole
> >
> > function – apparently I haven’t read it, again I apologize –
> >
> > function of PTI is to serve ICANN. Historically the function of
> >
> > IANA has been to serve the community, ICANN just happens to be the
> >
> > contract to doing it. And I don’t know if that is correct, if that’s
> what’s in the articles of incorporation.
> >
> > But if that is, it sort of has lost the raison d’etre of PTI. It is
> >
> > not a service sector of ICANN because that makes it feel like a
> >
> > department. It’s actually trying to serve a broader community such
> >
> > as the naming community, the protocols and the numbers. But I
> >
> > haven’t read it so I will try and read it so I might be wrong.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Trang Nguyen: Thanks, Paul. Let me – so Section 3 of the articles
> >
> > says this – it does say that the specific purpose of PTI is to
> >
> > operate exclusively for the benefit of and to perform the functions
> >
> > of and carry out the purposes of ICANN. And I want to go back and
> >
> > double check that again the language that is in the ICANN bylaws
> >
> > that has been adopted because I think some of this is the
> >
> > reflection of what’s included in the ICANN bylaws. So we want to do
> >
> > that cross check and come back to this group and see how it aligns
> >
> > with – what’s in the ICANN bylaws. But that is currently what is
> >
> > reflected in the PTI articles of incorporation. There are some
> >
> > comments in the chat from James. Things that affect the agreement
> >
> > are done by contract with ICANN for protocol and numbers means that
> >
> > there needs to be language to that effect in the PTI articles…
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > James Gannon: So, yes, Paul, I had a similar comment from somebody
> >
> > else as well from the IETF area. And I think in I suppose
> >
> > philosophical principle, yes, it is a slight change but I think in
> >
> > the reality the fact that both the numbers and protocol communities
> >
> > will still contract with ICANN it needs to be very clear in PTI’s
> >
> > documents then that, yes, it is for the purposes of fulfilling the
> >
> > IANA functions it needs to be able to serve the owners of those
> >
> > contracts, which is ICANN still. So I think philosophically, yes,
> >
> > it doesn’t really sound very right, but I think for the realities
> >
> > of running PTI and for PTI to be accountable through the mechanisms
> >
> > that we’ve built up that there does need to be language like that
> >
> > inside the articles to make sure that it’s clear that the – those
> >
> > two communities have the right of PTI serving their needs but also
> >
> > then the accountability mechanism that we’ve put into ICANN are
> >
> > also then bound to PTI by that language going backwards. And I think
> Trang is right that it’s also reflected in the ICANN bylaws going downwards
> towards PTI.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Trang Nguyen: Thank you, James. And I see Russ has similar comments
> >
> > in the chat as well that the contract for the protocol parameters
> >
> > function as well as with the numbers are with ICANN and not PTI.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ****Chat****
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Trang Nguyen:  The specific purpose of the Corporation is to
> >
> > operate exclusively for the benefit of, to perform the functions
> >
> > of, and to carry out the purposes of the Internet Corporation for
> >
> > Assigned Names and Numbers, a California nonprofit public benefit
> corporation(“ICANN”).
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > James Gannon: I think this was Stephens comment yes? I think that
> >
> > the fact that the agreements are done via contact to ICANN for
> >
> > protocol and numbers means that there needs to be language to that
> >
> > effect in the PTI articles
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > James Gannon: (Sorry no mic)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Kane: A cross check is welcome but I hope you see my point it
> >
> > is off target
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Russ Housley: @Paul, the Numbers and Protocol Parameter communities
> >
> > have their agreements with ICANN, not PTI.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Paul Kane: Good Point Russ
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Russ Housley: @Paul, ICANN is choosing to put that work in PTI.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Russ Housley: @Paul, so PTI is an affiliate of ICANN to perform all
> >
> > of that work
> >
> >
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> > Paul Kane: ok -thanks
> >
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> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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