[CWG-Stewardship] [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations
Mueller, Milton L
milton at gatech.edu
Fri Jun 17 13:38:03 UTC 2016
Avri is exactly right here.
We are not redesigning PTI to suit ICANN's needs or even the IANA employees needs, as important as those are. We are _implementing_ a design that was laboriously constructed and vetted. If some kind of transitional arrangement is needed, as Mathieu suggested based on actual experience with a separation, it is acceptable, but as Avri stated permanent secondment is a major deviation from the proposal and thus is not acceptable.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-
> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of avri doria
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:11 PM
> To: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing
> Recommendations
>
> Hi,
>
> Predictions of how horrible things might be at a possible separation time
> aside, the most important consideration is satisfying the conditions of the
> CWG proposal for separability. Secondment strikes many as being outside the
> spirit of our recommendations. But in consideration of existing employee
> sentiments, continuity and stability it can be understood as a transition
> measure; albeit a slow one and not the flag day sort of transition proposal
> many count on and believe in.
> But to mandate that secondment be permanent for all future employees flies
> in the face of the recommendation for separability and makes a farce of it.
>
> I have also questioned the secondment of the PTI Manager/President role.
> Even in the first instance I do not believe this appropriate given the possibility
> for conflict of interest should there be a divergence between the PTI Board
> and ICANN on issues. The President of PTI needs to be fully committed to the
> PTI and not constrained by ICANN as employer.
>
> avri
>
> On 16-Jun-16 14:50, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:
> > Good evening:
> >
> > At this late stage in the CWG debate, suffice it to say that in the
> > light of my earlier comments on this matter, I support Kurt's approach
> > and I do not support - indeed, I would be against - Greg's approach.
> >
> > More generally, I am well aware that a discussion of the nuances of
> > this issue could occupy several hours and many pages, that which we do
> > not have time for now.
> > Further discussion should be informed by a thorough knowledge of
> > international best practice and of Californian and US labour laws.
> > Which I myself and perhaps others do not have.
> >
> > May I also highlight one of Kurt's comments:
> >
> > /> "If this happens, we have bigger problems than terminating
> > secondments. In this scenario, ICANN and PTI have failed in some way
> > and the ICANN formed in 1998 is broken apart"/
> >
> > Indeed. The multiple international parties to the 1998 creation of
> > ICANN would not stand idly by in such an eventuality. Much else would
> > come back onto the table, potentially of much greater significance
> > than 'separation' or not.
> >
> > Currently we benefit from the relative success, to date, of the
> > multistakeholder model such that the International Governmental
> > alternative is dormant. Separation would no doubt awake the alternative.
> >
> > CW
> >
> >
> > On 16 Jun 2016, at 06:15, kurt at kjpritz.com <mailto:kurt at kjpritz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Everyone:
> >>
> >> I thought that Greg's comments to the ICANN Rationale for PTI
> >> Staffing Recommendations merited a response focusing some operational
> >> aspects of the plan.
> >>
> >> To make it easier to read, I pasted Greg's comments into the document
> >> itself in italics and then followed those comments with my own.
> >>
> >> Thanks for taking the time to read these. i hope they are helpful to
> >> your thinking.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >>
> >> --------- Original Message ---------
> >> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: [IOTF] Rationale for PTI
> >> Staffing Recommendations
> >> From: "Greg Shatan" <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>>
> >> Date: 6/13/16 1:10 pm
> >> To: "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson at afilias.info
> >> <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> >> Cc: "cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> >> <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>" <cwg-stewardship at icann.org
> >> <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>>
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> My thoughts on the rationale explanation are on the attached
> >> document as marginal comments.
> >>
> >> Greg Shatan
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:16 PM, Jonathan Robinson
> >> <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>> wrote:
> >>
> >> All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> FYI.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please note We did not have an IOTF call today so have not
> >> yet had the opportunity to discuss this item.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:*Yuko Green [mailto:yuko.green at icann.org
> >> <mailto:yuko.green at icann.org>]
> >> *Sent:* 10 June 2016 18:05
> >> *To:* iotf at icann.org <mailto:iotf at icann.org>
> >> *Subject:* [IOTF] Rationale for PTI Staffing Recommendations
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear members of the IOTF,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Attached, please find the rationale for PTI staffing
> >> recommendations we have made in the PTI Implementation
> >> Approach document. We look forward to hearing any feedback
> >> you may have.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Yuko Green*
> >>
> >> Strategic Programs Manager
> >>
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> >>
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