<p dir="ltr">Is it not the point being made that the GNSO and ccNSO etc are THEMSELVES unincorporated legal entities and are essentially supporting structures (to the ICANN Board) existing only within the ICANN Bylaws?<br></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even though NFL is an unincorporated association, the 32 independent teams that comprise the unincorporated association are legal entities. These 32 legal entities then collectively enter to into pooled-rights contract with any third party.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In comparison, CCNSO and GNSO are not legal entities; and they can not form an unincorporated association.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Allan MacGillivray <</span><a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Becky Burr <</span><a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">becky.burr@neustar.biz</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">>,
Milton L Mueller <</span><a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mueller@syr.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">>, Fouad Bajwa <</span><a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">" <</span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Becky – you raise a very important point as to whether unincorporated entities can enter
into enforceable contracts. If they can, it may simplify things considerably e.g. have ccNSO, GNSO, ALAC? 'take over’ the contact with ICANN. I had been labouring under the assumption that the ccNSO, GNSO would have to incorporate to do this. How can we
get clarity on this?</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> October-23-14 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Fouad Bajwa<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Rather than starting with legal constructs, let’s begin by talking about what we need to
accomplish requisite accountability. To me, we need some independent committee, council, unincorporated association, or representative group to have a contract with ICANN/IANA for performing IANA functions consistent with SLA’s to be negotiated and documented.
We need this entity, presumably representative of IANA service consumers, to have recourse if the SLA’s are not met. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">If this is correct, then we can look at what kind of legal entity we need for the “SLA Council.”
Seems to me that the core of this group would be registry operators, perhaps with representation from other stakeholders like registstrars, registrants, etc. Could be stand alone or perhaps housed in ISOC or the IETF? I am pretty sure that unincorporated
associations can enter into enforceable contracts, etc. (For example, the National Football League in the US is actually an unincorporated association).</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Second, we need a mechanism that ensure recourse and redress for a registry that is wrongfully
revoked, delegated, etc. That mechanism can be provided to all through the ICANN bylaws, e.g., as an independent review.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Fouad Bajwa <</span><a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">By the “technical community proposals” I assume you mean the protocols community.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">What your argument misses is that IANA _<i>is</i>_ a separate organizational entity for both the numbers
and protocols communities. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The protocol community has an MoU with ICANN that authorizes ICANN to perform the IANA functions for
them. That MoU can be revoked, and IETF can decide to use someone else. That is the perfect accountability mechanism. Now, tell me how the names community achieves that same wonderful state? There are two ways to do it: pull the IANA out of ICANN, or set up
a new contracting authority to replace the NTIA, which could periodically award the contract to ICANN or to anyone else qualified.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">No one wants “the IANA technical and policy functions [might] fall into the hands and whims of governments.”
That in fact is a requirement imposed on the transition by the NTIA. But we do need to make significant organizational changes if we are to meet the requirement of accountability. I think scare talk about take overs can divert our attention from needed reforms
and I would resist that kind of talk. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I don't think that IANA should be evolved as a separate entity at all and create new opportunities for bureaucracies for governments and industry control. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The technical community has also shown its concern that it doesn't want the IANA technical and policy function to fall into the hands of the whims of governments
because it functions to the technical community's needs adequately in its present environment and role. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Your challenge and for the ICG is to propose that most transparent and accountable way forward that ensures an open and inclusive relationship with the
Internet community treating stakeholders in their respective roles but not giving preference to one group over another another. I don't have to go through the Internet Governance ideals over and over again here.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">First ICANN Board control as the final word for IANA affairs would have to be reviewed and should be taken into a broader community review process. I do
not trust the ICANN Board to be able to manage both ICANN and IANA in a transparent and accountable way, their progress over the years has had its own set of troubles already. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The proposals are interesting but not the final word. The final word will remain with NTIA and thats my concern from a developing country member citizen
perspective. I am going through a great deal of suggestions and proposals and all show a similar aspect, don't disturb the IANA technical function and the policies for IANA developed by the community have work so far but require more transparency, accountability
and functional relationships with the community ensuring open and inclusive participation in its policy development processes. </span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Seun Ojedeji <</span><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a><span style="color:black">>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">+1 Option 2 is preferred from my end also. However i also added Option 4 as a second preference just incase things get delayed with the accountability process.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Cheers!</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hello all,<br>
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you might wish to see an expanded set of "Options", in a Google Doc which has been shared.<br>
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</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=fUDcpKHcSBfPHc8c3PFUK3EGMl9QAYJOV5JFJEPECSo&e=" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing</a><span style="color:black"><br>
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So far, I note that the majority of our participants on the At-Large IANA Issues WG appears to prefer Option 2.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
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Olivier</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 15/10/2014 22:55, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[CWG-Stewardship] Names Community vs the other two communities<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:40:47 +0530<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurcharya@gmail.com></a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">How the names community approach will differ from the approach adopted by the numbers community and protocols community?</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Numbers Community: APNIC has reached consensus on its proposal. According to the proposal, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN. It proposes to replace
NTIA oversight with a Service Level Agreement (SLA) and Affirmation of Commitment (AOC) between NRO and ICANN.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.slideshare.net_fullscreen_apnic_report-2Dianatransition_1&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=ipQr6NSV4s2YyeTKtleRzaehK6NnJP70z0QOuy57W7o&e=" target="_blank">www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/apnic/report-ianatransition/1</a><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Protocols Community: The IETF draft proposal suggests that no structural changes are required as a result of the transition. The MOU between ICANN and
the IETF community will continue to govern the existing relationship. Again, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dianaplan-2Dicg-2Dresponse-2D00&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=hsoL84pOSYzJR4QRMfhJYR6ybddmed3Zi1M-kuVH5uQ&e=" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-00</a><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Therefore, neither the numbers community, nor the protocol community appear to be in the direction of suggesting a new MS Oversight Entity to replace NTIA
and its oversight. Merely contracts between existing entities will be updated to replace NTIA oversight.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Can the names community adopt a similar approach? Can a contractual agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO be expected to replace NTIA oversight?</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Clearly NO! This approach can not be adopted by the names community because the names community resides within ICANN, which is also the IANA operator.
Specifically, GNSO and CCNSO are essentially subsets of ICANN, and therefore a contractual agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO can not be expected to replace NTIA oversight.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Therefore, it is essential to either</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Option (i): create a new legal entity, which has a contractual oversight relationship with ICANN. This would be similar to </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetgovernance.org_2014_08_04_students-2Dschool-2Dfaculty-2Don-2Diana-2Dtransition-2Dthe-2Dmeissen-2Dproposal_&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=HC19PauLIvR68L1aaQZMUV1ysZRdzy1Rku_FhtwR4P0&e=" target="_blank">http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/</a><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Option (ii): expect ICANN to self-regulate</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Option (iii): make a new legal entity comprising of CCNSO and GNSO that is structurally independent of ICANN and require that new entity to enter into
a contractual oversight agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) with ICANN.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From the above three options, clearly option (ii) is not acceptable because of the lack of trust in the ICANN enhanced accountability process.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I also feel that option (iii) is not feasible because the CCNSO and GNSO are heavily integrated with ICANN and structural separation of these two communities
from ICANN will be in-feasible.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Also, from the Jordan Carter document, the option on page 7 can be discarded, which makes ICANN the oversight body, as IANA will continue to reside in
ICANN, as clearly suggested by the proposals of the protocols and numbers community.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Therefore, option (i) is clearly the only option available with the names community.</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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