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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Fouad:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">By the “technical community proposals” I assume you mean the protocols community.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">What your argument misses is that IANA _<i>is</i>_ a separate organizational entity for both the numbers and protocols communities.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The protocol community has an MoU with ICANN that authorizes ICANN to perform the IANA functions for them. That MoU can be revoked, and IETF can decide to use
someone else. That is the perfect accountability mechanism. Now, tell me how the names community achieves that same wonderful state? There are two ways to do it: pull the IANA out of ICANN, or set up a new contracting authority to replace the NTIA, which could
periodically award the contract to ICANN or to anyone else qualified. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">No one wants “the IANA technical and policy functions [might] fall into the hands and whims of governments.” That in fact is a requirement imposed on the transition
by the NTIA. But we do need to make significant organizational changes if we are to meet the requirement of accountability. I think scare talk about take overs can divert our attention from needed reforms and I would resist that kind of talk.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't think that IANA should be evolved as a separate entity at all and create new opportunities for bureaucracies for governments and industry control. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The technical community proposals are highly reasonable to not make such a big fuss out of it and help IANA transition under a body that is somewhat messed up but can be improved in the long run however, ICANN would need some changes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The technical community has also shown its concern that it doesn't want the IANA technical and policy function to fall into the hands of the whims of governments because it functions to the technical community's needs adequately in its
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<p class="MsoNormal">Your challenge and for the ICG is to propose that most transparent and accountable way forward that ensures an open and inclusive relationship with the Internet community treating stakeholders in their respective roles but not giving preference
to one group over another another. I don't have to go through the Internet Governance ideals over and over again here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">First ICANN Board control as the final word for IANA affairs would have to be reviewed and should be taken into a broader community review process. I do not trust the ICANN Board to be able to manage both ICANN and IANA in a transparent
and accountable way, their progress over the years has had its own set of troubles already. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The proposals are interesting but not the final word. The final word will remain with NTIA and thats my concern from a developing country member citizen perspective. I am going through a great deal of suggestions and proposals and all show
a similar aspect, don't disturb the IANA technical function and the policies for IANA developed by the community have work so far but require more transparency, accountability and functional relationships with the community ensuring open and inclusive participation
in its policy development processes. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">+1 Option 2 is preferred from my end also. However i also added Option 4 as a second preference just incase things get delayed with the accountability process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<br>
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you might wish to see an expanded set of "Options", in a Google Doc which has been shared.<br>
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<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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So far, I note that the majority of our participants on the At-Large IANA Issues WG appears to prefer Option 2.<br>
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Olivier<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How the names community approach will differ from the approach adopted by the numbers community and protocols community?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Numbers Community: APNIC has reached consensus on its proposal. According to the proposal, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN. It proposes to replace NTIA oversight with a Service Level Agreement (SLA) and Affirmation of Commitment (AOC)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/apnic/report-ianatransition/1" target="_blank">www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/apnic/report-ianatransition/1</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Protocols Community: The IETF draft proposal suggests that no structural changes are required as a result of the transition. The MOU between ICANN and the IETF community will continue to govern the existing relationship. Again, IANA will
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-00" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-00</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, neither the numbers community, nor the protocol community appear to be in the direction of suggesting a new MS Oversight Entity to replace NTIA and its oversight. Merely contracts between existing entities will be updated to
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<p class="MsoNormal">Clearly NO! This approach can not be adopted by the names community because the names community resides within ICANN, which is also the IANA operator. Specifically, GNSO and CCNSO are essentially subsets of ICANN, and therefore a contractual
agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO can not be expected to replace NTIA oversight.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, it is essential to either<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Option (i): create a new legal entity, which has a contractual oversight relationship with ICANN. This would be similar to <a href="http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/" target="_blank">http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Option (ii): expect ICANN to self-regulate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Option (iii): make a new legal entity comprising of CCNSO and GNSO that is structurally independent of ICANN and require that new entity to enter into a contractual oversight agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) with ICANN.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From the above three options, clearly option (ii) is not acceptable because of the lack of trust in the ICANN enhanced accountability process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I also feel that option (iii) is not feasible because the CCNSO and GNSO are heavily integrated with ICANN and structural separation of these two communities from ICANN will be in-feasible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, from the Jordan Carter document, the option on page 7 can be discarded, which makes ICANN the oversight body, as IANA will continue to reside in ICANN, as clearly suggested by the proposals of the protocols and numbers community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Therefore, option (i) is clearly the only option available with the names community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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