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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=NL link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with Becky on the below – and what is true for GAC members is mostly true for ccTLDs as well, I guess. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don’t get me wrong, if the notion is that the GAC would have a seat on the Council, I suppose I wouldn’t object, but in my experience members of the GAC represent their OWN governments, not the GAC generally. “ <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br><b>Sent:</b> vrijdag 24 oktober 2014 16:20<br><b>To:</b> Carolina Aguerre; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tracy,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>First, the total number of completely unaffiliated ccTLDs is somewhere around 58, not 96. I suspect that a few of these aren’t actually delegated, so probably a bit less. But do we think that all gTLDs participate in the gNSO? That would really surprise me.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Second, why couldn’t those that are completely unaffiliated and prefer to remain that way participate directly (I.e., without the ccNSO or the regional organization as an intermediary?) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Finally, I don’t know why this creates the nexus for GAC in future arrangements? Some ccTLDs operate under government contracts (for example, .US). Our participation in a User’s Council might be affected by the contract, but I don’t think that means the Department of Commerce should (or would want to be) a member of the Council. In a relatively small number of cases, a government institution actually operates the ccTLD. In that case, the government would be a direct consumer of IANA services. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don’t get me wrong, if the notion is that the GAC would have a seat on the Council, I suppose I wouldn’t object, but in my experience members of the GAC represent their OWN governments, not the GAC generally. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>B<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J. Beckwith Burr</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>Neustar, Inc. /</span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>Office</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>: + 1.202.533.2932 </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'> Mobile</span><span lang=FR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>: +1.202.352.6367 </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>/ </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'><a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz"><span lang=FR style='color:purple'>becky.burr@neustar.biz</span></a></span><span lang=FR style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'> / </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'><a href="http://www.neustar.biz"><span lang=FR>www.neustar.biz</span></a></span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Carolina Aguerre <<a href="mailto:carolina@lactld.org">carolina@lactld.org</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Friday, October 24, 2014 at 6:50 AM<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Tracy,<br><br>Indeed the numbers raised by Peter are global, thus including the LAC region and LACTLD<br><br>Carolina<br><br>On 24/10/2014 05:03 a.m., Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you Peter ... extremely helpful. I assume you also have counted those in LACTLD?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>So ... 96 ccTLDs could POTENTIALLY not recognize the ccNSO in any future organizational arrangement involving the ccNSO as is being suggested here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>That is not insubstantial.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I can also imagine that when you factor those that are Government affiliated within these 96 ccTLDs, the issues become quite complex as they relate to these discussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I wonder if this is the nexus for GAC involvement in future organizational arrangements ... <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>However that will still POTENTIALLY leave some ccTLDs out of the future arrangements being considered here, save for coercing them into joining either the ccNSO or the regional orgs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Any thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>/t<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Oct 24, 2014 3:20 AM, "Peter Van Roste" <<a href="mailto:peter@centr.org">peter@centr.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Tracy for raising this.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Becky is right, this process is open to all ccTLDs. The regional organisations are reaching out to those that are not in the ccNSO and to those that are unaffiliated in their respective regions.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>However, it should be taken into account when discussing the future role the ccNSO could play, that some ccTLDs will not recognize the ccNSO as a representative of their interests.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Some stats:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Out of the 248 ccTLDs:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>152 are members of the ccNSO. Most of those are also a member of their regional organisation (AfTLD, APTLD, CENTR and APTLD).</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>38 ccTLDs are members of their regional organisation but not of the ccNSO.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>58 ccTLDs are unaffiliated.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peter Van Roste</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>General Manager, CENTR</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br><b>Sent:</b> donderdag 23 oktober 2014 23:37<br><b>To:</b> Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google; Allan MacGillivray<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Some of those who do not participate in the ccNSO do participate in regional organizations such as LACTLD and APTLD. We have also set up a global list to communicate with ccTLDs that don’t participate in either. Note that the ccNSO rules permit cc’s to participate fully without actually joining the ccNSO itself.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J. 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Hackshaw @ Google" <<a href="mailto:tracyhackshaw@gmail.com" target="_blank">tracyhackshaw@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 5:31 PM<br><b>To: </b>Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Milton L Mueller <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMD-g&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=QpQAt_piuchJf9ejWDh3H_z119DN4HT2HzMk0YusRzw&s=MfTsSXzXbuHI0rFcHtnorPW-C4XKghU8vC-r39Erl4M&e=" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>, Guru Acharya <<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>What about the ccTLDs who are NOT part of the ccNSO ... has this been discussed/dealt with already? </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br clear=all></span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=NL-BE style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>> wrote:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So let’s see if I have got this correct. The idea is that the registries would set up a corporation that could contract with IANA, either as a stand-alone entity or as a department of ICANN, for the performance of the IANA functions – let’s call it ‘RegistryCo’ for short. Would there not be liability concerns on the part of many registries to being directors of RegistryCo? Even if they could be convinced, would those ccTLDs that are governments be comfortable with such an approach? And it would need some money to get going. Incorporating does take little money, but negotiating the contract would be quite another issue. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Burr, Becky [mailto:<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> October-23-14 4:20 PM<br><b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Guru Acharya<br><b>Cc:</b> Allan MacGillivray; Fouad Bajwa; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Correct. In any case, it takes very little time or money to create a light weight legal entity. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J. Beckwith Burr</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>Neustar, Inc. /</span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>Office</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>: <a href="tel:%2B%201.202.533.2932" target="_blank">+ 1.202.533.2932</a> </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'> Mobile</span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>: <a href="tel:%2B1.202.352.6367" target="_blank">+1.202.352.6367</a> </span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>/ <a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a> / <a href="http://www.neustar.biz" target="_blank">www.neustar.biz</a></span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Milton L Mueller <<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMFaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=GgzA5SwJogI0ald8wwDSR-ml1BmbWp0LkVsHeAGs0EU&s=ZpmqRGN-6diwUv7gbTulgFXccZAa2eMl5e0pxgIPoEk&e=" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:41 PM<br><b>To: </b>Guru Acharya <<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>, Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>>, Fouad Bajwa <<a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No. Guru this is incorrect. Both the CCNSO and the GNSO are made up of mostly incorporated legal entities. Certainly the TLD registries in both entities are legally incorporated.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a name="1494106fbb1f6ce0_1493ebcd61abac44__MailE"><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span></a><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Guru Acharya [<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com</a>] </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Even though NFL is an unincorporated association, the 32 independent teams that comprise the unincorporated association are legal entities. These 32 legal entities then collectively enter to into pooled-rights contract with any third party.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>In comparison, CCNSO and GNSO are not legal entities; and they can not form an unincorporated association.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The law varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, but in the US, the question is whether there is an enforceable contract and not whether one of the contracting parties is a formal legal entity. I can assure you, the NFL enforces contracts all the time.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J. Beckwith Burr</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>Neustar, Inc. /</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#068658'>Office</span><span lang=EN-US 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lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Allan MacGillivray <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM<br><b>To: </b>Becky Burr <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>becky.burr@neustar.biz</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>>, Milton L Mueller <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=INYMVpabyaFlLICPn_6grbXytRGxGNbwdxstS1N6kfU&s=xm679ts9ebwDNuRzz6N0a2u03BsoJV4iMSTlfNWBXKU&e=" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>mueller@syr.edu</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>>, Fouad Bajwa <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>Cc: </b>"</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>" <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Becky – you raise a very important point as to whether unincorporated entities can enter into enforceable contracts. If they can, it may simplify things considerably e.g. have ccNSO, GNSO, ALAC? 'take over’ the contact with ICANN. I had been labouring under the assumption that the ccNSO, GNSO would have to incorporate to do this. How can we get clarity on this?</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Allan </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> [</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br><b>Sent:</b> October-23-14 11:43 AM<br><b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Fouad Bajwa<br><b>Cc:</b> </span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Rather than starting with legal constructs, let’s begin by talking about what we need to accomplish requisite accountability. To me, we need some independent committee, council, unincorporated association, or representative group to have a contract with ICANN/IANA for performing IANA functions consistent with SLA’s to be negotiated and documented. We need this entity, presumably representative of IANA service consumers, to have recourse if the SLA’s are not met. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>If this is correct, then we can look at what kind of legal entity we need for the “SLA Council.” Seems to me that the core of this group would be registry operators, perhaps with representation from other stakeholders like registstrars, registrants, etc. Could be stand alone or perhaps housed in ISOC or the IETF? I am pretty sure that unincorporated associations can enter into enforceable contracts, etc. (For example, the National Football League in the US is actually an unincorporated association).</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Second, we need a mechanism that ensure recourse and redress for a registry that is wrongfully revoked, delegated, etc. That mechanism can be provided to all through the ICANN bylaws, e.g., as an independent review.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>J. 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href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMFAw&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=9jEM_hACGXiATouHvV-V_jUNH5sc3y-bQFzqRD4_qRU&s=WD5mnQGH8gOzXMllT3aJRt_wLg7aZMZR0oiM_ERgS0g&e=" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>mueller@syr.edu</span></a></span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM<br><b>To: </b>Fouad Bajwa <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a></span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>Cc: </b>"</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>" <</span><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Fouad:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>By the “technical community proposals” I assume you mean the protocols community. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What your argument misses is that IANA _<i>is</i>_ a separate organizational entity for both the numbers and protocols communities. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The protocol community has an MoU with ICANN that authorizes ICANN to perform the IANA functions for them. That MoU can be revoked, and IETF can decide to use someone else. That is the perfect accountability mechanism. Now, tell me how the names community achieves that same wonderful state? There are two ways to do it: pull the IANA out of ICANN, or set up a new contracting authority to replace the NTIA, which could periodically award the contract to ICANN or to anyone else qualified. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No one wants “the IANA technical and policy functions [might] fall into the hands and whims of governments.” That in fact is a requirement imposed on the transition by the NTIA. But we do need to make significant organizational changes if we are to meet the requirement of accountability. I think scare talk about take overs can divert our attention from needed reforms and I would resist that kind of talk. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><a name="1494106fbb1f6ce0_1493ebcd61abac44_1493dc"></a><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>I don't think that IANA should be evolved as a separate entity at all and create new opportunities for bureaucracies for governments and industry control. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>The technical community proposals are highly reasonable to not make such a big fuss out of it and help IANA transition under a body that is somewhat messed up but can be improved in the long run however, ICANN would need some changes. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>The technical community has also shown its concern that it doesn't want the IANA technical and policy function to fall into the hands of the whims of governments because it functions to the technical community's needs adequately in its present environment and role. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Your challenge and for the ICG is to propose that most transparent and accountable way forward that ensures an open and inclusive relationship with the Internet community treating stakeholders in their respective roles but not giving preference to one group over another another. I don't have to go through the Internet Governance ideals over and over again here.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>First ICANN Board control as the final word for IANA affairs would have to be reviewed and should be taken into a broader community review process. I do not trust the ICANN Board to be able to manage both ICANN and IANA in a transparent and accountable way, their progress over the years has had its own set of troubles already. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>The proposals are interesting but not the final word. The final word will remain with NTIA and thats my concern from a developing country member citizen perspective. I am going through a great deal of suggestions and proposals and all show a similar aspect, don't disturb the IANA technical function and the policies for IANA developed by the community have work so far but require more transparency, accountability and functional relationships with the community ensuring open and inclusive participation in its policy development processes. </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>+1 Option 2 is preferred from my end also. However i also added Option 4 as a second preference just incase things get delayed with the accountability process.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Cheers!</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Hello all,<br><br>you might wish to see an expanded set of "Options", in a Google Doc which has been shared.<br><br><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=fUDcpKHcSBfPHc8c3PFUK3EGMl9QAYJOV5JFJEPECSo&e=" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing</a><br><br>So far, I note that the majority of our participants on the At-Large IANA Issues WG appears to prefer Option 2.<br><br>Kind regards,<br><br>Olivier</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>On 15/10/2014 22:55, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>FYI</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><br><br>-------- Forwarded Message -------- </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><b>Subject: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>[CWG-Stewardship] Names Community vs the other two communities<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><b>Date: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:40:47 +0530<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><b>From: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Guru Acharya <a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurcharya@gmail.com></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right'><b>To: </b><o:p></o:p></p></td><td style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>How the names community approach will differ from the approach adopted by the numbers community and protocols community?</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Numbers Community: APNIC has reached consensus on its proposal. According to the proposal, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN. It proposes to replace NTIA oversight with a Service Level Agreement (SLA) and Affirmation of Commitment (AOC) between NRO and ICANN.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.slideshare.net_fullscreen_apnic_report-2Dianatransition_1&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=ipQr6NSV4s2YyeTKtleRzaehK6NnJP70z0QOuy57W7o&e=" target="_blank">www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/apnic/report-ianatransition/1</a></span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Protocols Community: The IETF draft proposal suggests that no structural changes are required as a result of the transition. The MOU between ICANN and the IETF community will continue to govern the existing relationship. Again, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dianaplan-2Dicg-2Dresponse-2D00&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=hsoL84pOSYzJR4QRMfhJYR6ybddmed3Zi1M-kuVH5uQ&e=" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-00</a></span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Therefore, neither the numbers community, nor the protocol community appear to be in the direction of suggesting a new MS Oversight Entity to replace NTIA and its oversight. Merely contracts between existing entities will be updated to replace NTIA oversight.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Can the names community adopt a similar approach? Can a contractual agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO be expected to replace NTIA oversight?</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Clearly NO! This approach can not be adopted by the names community because the names community resides within ICANN, which is also the IANA operator. Specifically, GNSO and CCNSO are essentially subsets of ICANN, and therefore a contractual agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO can not be expected to replace NTIA oversight.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Therefore, it is essential to either</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Option (i): create a new legal entity, which has a contractual oversight relationship with ICANN. This would be similar to <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetgovernance.org_2014_08_04_students-2Dschool-2Dfaculty-2Don-2Diana-2Dtransition-2Dthe-2Dmeissen-2Dproposal_&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=HC19PauLIvR68L1aaQZMUV1ysZRdzy1Rku_FhtwR4P0&e=" target="_blank">http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/</a></span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Option (ii): expect ICANN to self-regulate</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Option (iii): make a new legal entity comprising of CCNSO and GNSO that is structurally independent of ICANN and require that new entity to enter into a contractual oversight agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) with ICANN.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>From the above three options, clearly option (ii) is not acceptable because of the lack of trust in the ICANN enhanced accountability process.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>I also feel that option (iii) is not feasible because the CCNSO and GNSO are heavily integrated with ICANN and structural separation of these two communities from ICANN will be in-feasible.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Also, from the Jordan Carter document, the option on page 7 can be discarded, which makes ICANN the oversight body, as IANA will continue to reside in ICANN, as clearly suggested by the proposals of the protocols and numbers community.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Therefore, option (i) is clearly the only option available with the names community.</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Regards,</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'>Acharya</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'> </span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p> 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style='color:black'>------------------------------------------------------------------------</span><span lang=NL-BE style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><i><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600'>Seun Ojedeji,<br>Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>web: </span></i><span lang=EN-US style='color:black'><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.fuoye.edu.ng&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=ZYONh-kEmB5dv3rzYIFWLLSMsZ6JohvhU3mRuNA0IvA&e=" target="_blank"><i><span style='font-family:"Garamond","serif"'>http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</span></i></a></span><i><span lang=EN-US 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