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<div>Tracy,</div>
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<div>First, the total number of completely unaffiliated ccTLDs is somewhere around 58, not 96. I suspect that a few of these aren’t actually delegated, so probably a bit less. But do we think that all gTLDs participate in the gNSO? That would really surprise
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<div>Second, why couldn’t those that are completely unaffiliated and prefer to remain that way participate directly (I.e., without the ccNSO or the regional organization as an intermediary?) </div>
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<div>Finally, I don’t know why this creates the nexus for GAC in future arrangements? Some ccTLDs operate under government contracts (for example, .US). Our participation in a User’s Council might be affected by the contract, but I don’t think that means
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<div>Don’t get me wrong, if the notion is that the GAC would have a seat on the Council, I suppose I wouldn’t object, but in my experience members of the GAC represent their OWN governments, not the GAC generally. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Carolina Aguerre <<a href="mailto:carolina@lactld.org">carolina@lactld.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, October 24, 2014 at 6:50 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Tracy,<br>
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Indeed the numbers raised by Peter are global, thus including the LAC region and LACTLD<br>
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On 24/10/2014 05:03 a.m., Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Thank you Peter ... extremely helpful. I assume you also have counted those in LACTLD?</p>
<p dir="ltr">So ... 96 ccTLDs could POTENTIALLY not recognize the ccNSO in any future organizational arrangement involving the ccNSO as is being suggested here.</p>
<p dir="ltr">That is not insubstantial.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I can also imagine that when you factor those that are Government affiliated within these 96 ccTLDs, the issues become quite complex as they relate to these discussions.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I wonder if this is the nexus for GAC involvement in future organizational arrangements ...
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<p dir="ltr">However that will still POTENTIALLY leave some ccTLDs out of the future arrangements being considered here, save for coercing them into joining either the ccNSO or the regional orgs.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Any thoughts?</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 24, 2014 3:20 AM, "Peter Van Roste" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:peter@centr.org">peter@centr.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Thanks Tracy for raising this.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Becky is right, this process is open to all ccTLDs. The regional organisations are reaching out to those that are not in the ccNSO and
to those that are unaffiliated in their respective regions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">However, it should be taken into account when discussing the future role the ccNSO could play, that some ccTLDs will not recognize the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Some stats:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Out of the 248 ccTLDs:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">152 are members of the ccNSO. Most of those are also a member of their regional organisation (AfTLD, APTLD, CENTR and APTLD).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">38 ccTLDs are members of their regional organisation but not of the ccNSO.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">58 ccTLDs are unaffiliated.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> donderdag 23 oktober 2014 23:37<br>
<b>To:</b> Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google; Allan MacGillivray<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">Some of those who do not participate in the ccNSO do participate in regional organizations such as LACTLD and APTLD. We have also set up a global list to
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Allan MacGillivray <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Becky Burr <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Milton L Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMD-g&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=QpQAt_piuchJf9ejWDh3H_z119DN4HT2HzMk0YusRzw&s=MfTsSXzXbuHI0rFcHtnorPW-C4XKghU8vC-r39Erl4M&e=" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>,
Guru Acharya <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>, "<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Allan MacGillivray <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-CA">So let’s see if I have got this correct. The idea is that the registries would set up a corporation that could contract with IANA, either
as a stand-alone entity or as a department of ICANN, for the performance of the IANA functions – let’s call it ‘RegistryCo’ for short. Would there not be liability concerns on the part of many registries to being directors of RegistryCo? Even if they could
be convinced, would those ccTLDs that are governments be comfortable with such an approach? And it would need some money to get going. Incorporating does take little money, but negotiating the contract would be quite another issue.
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<b>Sent:</b> October-23-14 4:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Guru Acharya<br>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Guru Acharya <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>, Becky Burr <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Allan MacGillivray <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>>, Fouad Bajwa <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>>,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Even though NFL is an unincorporated association, the 32 independent teams that comprise the unincorporated association are legal entities. These 32 legal entities then collectively enter to into pooled-rights
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 12:04 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Becky Burr <</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">becky.burr@neustar.biz</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-US">>,
Milton L Mueller <</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailto-3Amueller-40syr.edu&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=INYMVpabyaFlLICPn_6grbXytRGxGNbwdxstS1N6kfU&s=xm679ts9ebwDNuRzz6N0a2u03BsoJV4iMSTlfNWBXKU&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">mueller@syr.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-US">>,
Fouad Bajwa <</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-US">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-US">"
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<b>Subject: </b>RE: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-CA">Becky – you raise a very important point as to whether unincorporated entities can enter into enforceable contracts. If they can, it
may simplify things considerably e.g. have ccNSO, GNSO, ALAC? 'take over’ the contact with ICANN. I had been labouring under the assumption that the ccNSO, GNSO would have to incorporate to do this. How can we get clarity on this?</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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[</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-US">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> October-23-14 11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Fouad Bajwa<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-CA">Rather than starting with legal constructs, let’s begin by talking about what we need to accomplish requisite accountability. To me, we need
some independent committee, council, unincorporated association, or representative group to have a contract with ICANN/IANA for performing IANA functions consistent with SLA’s to be negotiated and documented. We need this entity, presumably representative
of IANA service consumers, to have recourse if the SLA’s are not met. </span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-CA">If this is correct, then we can look at what kind of legal entity we need for the “SLA Council.” Seems to me that the core of this group would
be registry operators, perhaps with representation from other stakeholders like registstrars, registrants, etc. Could be stand alone or perhaps housed in ISOC or the IETF? I am pretty sure that unincorporated associations can enter into enforceable contracts,
etc. (For example, the National Football League in the US is actually an unincorporated association).</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-CA">Second, we need a mechanism that ensure recourse and redress for a registry that is wrongfully revoked, delegated, etc. That mechanism can be
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Fouad Bajwa <</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" lang="EN-CA">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-CA">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" lang="EN-CA">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;" lang="EN-CA">"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Fouad:</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">By the “technical community proposals” I assume you mean the protocols community.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">What your argument misses is that IANA _<i>is</i>_ a separate organizational entity for both the numbers and protocols communities.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">The protocol community has an MoU with ICANN that authorizes ICANN to perform the IANA functions for them. That MoU can be revoked, and
IETF can decide to use someone else. That is the perfect accountability mechanism. Now, tell me how the names community achieves that same wonderful state? There are two ways to do it: pull the IANA out of ICANN, or set up a new contracting authority to replace
the NTIA, which could periodically award the contract to ICANN or to anyone else qualified.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">No one wants “the IANA technical and policy functions [might] fall into the hands and whims of governments.” That in fact is a requirement
imposed on the transition by the NTIA. But we do need to make significant organizational changes if we are to meet the requirement of accountability. I think scare talk about take overs can divert our attention from needed reforms and I would resist that kind
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I don't think that IANA should be evolved as a separate entity at all and create new opportunities for bureaucracies for governments and industry control. </span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The technical community proposals are highly reasonable to not make such a big fuss out of it and help IANA transition under a body that is somewhat messed up but can be improved in the long run however,
ICANN would need some changes. </span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The technical community has also shown its concern that it doesn't want the IANA technical and policy function to fall into the hands of the whims of governments because it functions to the technical
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Your challenge and for the ICG is to propose that most transparent and accountable way forward that ensures an open and inclusive relationship with the Internet community treating stakeholders in their
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">First ICANN Board control as the final word for IANA affairs would have to be reviewed and should be taken into a broader community review process. I do not trust the ICANN Board to be able to manage
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The proposals are interesting but not the final word. The final word will remain with NTIA and thats my concern from a developing country member citizen perspective. I am going through a great deal
of suggestions and proposals and all show a similar aspect, don't disturb the IANA technical function and the policies for IANA developed by the community have work so far but require more transparency, accountability and functional relationships with the
community ensuring open and inclusive participation in its policy development processes. </span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Hello all,<br>
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you might wish to see an expanded set of "Options", in a Google Doc which has been shared.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=fUDcpKHcSBfPHc8c3PFUK3EGMl9QAYJOV5JFJEPECSo&e=" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
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So far, I note that the majority of our participants on the At-Large IANA Issues WG appears to prefer Option 2.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Numbers Community: APNIC has reached consensus on its proposal. According to the proposal, IANA will continue to reside in ICANN. It proposes to replace NTIA oversight with a Service Level Agreement
(SLA) and Affirmation of Commitment (AOC) between NRO and ICANN.</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Therefore, neither the numbers community, nor the protocol community appear to be in the direction of suggesting a new MS Oversight Entity to replace NTIA and its oversight. Merely contracts between
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Can the names community adopt a similar approach? Can a contractual agreement (SLA/AOC/MOU) between ICANN and GNSO/CCNSO be expected to replace NTIA oversight?</span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Clearly NO! This approach can not be adopted by the names community because the names community resides within ICANN, which is also the IANA operator. Specifically, GNSO and CCNSO are essentially subsets
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Option (i): create a new legal entity, which has a contractual oversight relationship with ICANN. This would be similar to <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetgovernance.org_2014_08_04_students-2Dschool-2Dfaculty-2Don-2Diana-2Dtransition-2Dthe-2Dmeissen-2Dproposal_&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=HC19PauLIvR68L1aaQZMUV1ysZRdzy1Rku_FhtwR4P0&e=" target="_blank">http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/</a></span><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Also, from the Jordan Carter document, the option on page 7 can be discarded, which makes ICANN the oversight body, as IANA will continue to reside in ICANN, as clearly suggested by the proposals of
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