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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Tracy,<br>
<br>
Indeed the numbers raised by Peter are global, thus including the
LAC region and LACTLD<br>
<br>
Carolina<br>
<br>
On 24/10/2014 05:03 a.m., Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Thank you Peter ... extremely helpful. I assume you
also have counted those in LACTLD?</p>
<p dir="ltr">So ... 96 ccTLDs could POTENTIALLY not recognize the
ccNSO in any future organizational arrangement involving the
ccNSO as is being suggested here.</p>
<p dir="ltr">That is not insubstantial.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I can also imagine that when you factor those that
are Government affiliated within these 96 ccTLDs, the issues
become quite complex as they relate to these discussions.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I wonder if this is the nexus for GAC involvement in
future organizational arrangements ... </p>
<p dir="ltr">However that will still POTENTIALLY leave some ccTLDs
out of the future arrangements being considered here, save for
coercing them into joining either the ccNSO or the regional
orgs.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Any thoughts?</p>
<p dir="ltr">/t<br>
</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 24, 2014 3:20 AM, "Peter Van
Roste" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:peter@centr.org">peter@centr.org</a>> wrote:<br
type="attribution">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Thanks Tracy for raising this.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Becky is right, this process is open to
all ccTLDs. The regional organisations are reaching
out to those that are not in the ccNSO and to those
that are unaffiliated in their respective regions.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">However, it should be taken into account
when discussing the future role the ccNSO could play,
that some ccTLDs will not recognize the ccNSO as a
representative of their interests.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Some stats:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Out of the 248 ccTLDs:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">152 are members of the ccNSO. Most of
those are also a member of their regional organisation
(AfTLD, APTLD, CENTR and APTLD).</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">38 ccTLDs are members of their regional
organisation but not of the ccNSO.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">58 ccTLDs are unaffiliated.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Peter Van Roste</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">General Manager, CENTR</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> donderdag 23 oktober 2014 23:37<br>
<b>To:</b> Tracy F. Hackshaw @ Google; Allan
MacGillivray<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other
two communities</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Some
of those who do not participate in the ccNSO
do participate in regional organizations such
as LACTLD and APTLD. We have also set up a
global list to communicate with ccTLDs that
don’t participate in either. Note that the
ccNSO rules permit cc’s to participate fully
without actually joining the ccNSO itself.</span></p>
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Beckwith Burr</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">"Tracy
F. Hackshaw @ Google" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tracyhackshaw@gmail.com"
target="_blank">tracyhackshaw@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October 23, 2014 at 5:31
PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Allan MacGillivray <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca"
target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Becky Burr <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz"
target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>,
Milton L Mueller <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>>,
Guru Acharya <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>, "<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other
two communities</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">What
about the ccTLDs who are NOT part of the ccNSO
... has this been discussed/dealt with
already? </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On
Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Allan
MacGillivray <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca"
target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-CA">So let’s see if I have
got this correct. The idea is that
the registries would set up a
corporation that could contract with
IANA, either as a stand-alone entity
or as a department of ICANN, for the
performance of the IANA functions –
let’s call it ‘RegistryCo’ for short.
Would there not be liability concerns
on the part of many registries to
being directors of RegistryCo? Even
if they could be convinced, would
those ccTLDs that are governments be
comfortable with such an approach?
And it would need some money to get
going. Incorporating does take little
money, but negotiating the contract
would be quite another issue. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> Burr, Becky [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz"
target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> October-23-14 4:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; Guru
Acharya<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Allan MacGillivray;
Fouad Bajwa; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></span><span
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lang="EN-CA"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd: Names
Community vs the other two
communities</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Correct. In
any case, it takes very
little time or money to
create a light weight legal
entity. </span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-CA">J. Beckwith
Burr</span><span
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lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Milton L Mueller
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, October
23, 2014 at 3:41 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Guru Acharya <<a
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href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com"
target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>,
Becky Burr <<a
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href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz"
target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Allan MacGillivray
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca"
target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>>,
Fouad Bajwa <<a
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href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com"
target="_blank">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE:
[CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues]
Fwd: Names Community vs the
other two communities</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">No. Guru this is
incorrect. Both the CCNSO and
the GNSO are made up of mostly
incorporated legal entities.
Certainly the TLD registries
in both entities are legally
incorporated.</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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name="1494106fbb1f6ce0_1493ebcd61abac44__MailEndCompose"><span
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-US"> Guru
Acharya [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<br>
</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">Even though
NFL is an unincorporated
association, the 32
independent teams that
comprise the
unincorporated association
are legal entities. These
32 legal entities then
collectively enter to into
pooled-rights contract
with any third party.</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-US">In
comparison, CCNSO and GNSO
are not legal entities;
and they can not form an
unincorporated
association.</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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style="color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US">On Thu, Oct
23, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Burr,
Becky <<a
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lang="EN-US">The
law varies from
jurisdiction to
jurisdiction,
but in the US,
the question is
whether there is
an enforceable
contract and not
whether one of
the contracting
parties is a
formal legal
entity. I can
assure you, the
NFL enforces
contracts all
the time.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Beckwith Burr</span><span
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lang="EN-US">From:
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lang="EN-US">Allan
MacGillivray <</span><span
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday,
October 23, 2014 at
12:04 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Becky
Burr <</span><span
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lang="EN-US"><a
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href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
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Milton L Mueller
<</span><span
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Fouad Bajwa <</span><span
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<b>Cc: </b>"</span><span
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lang="EN-US">" <</span><span
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<b>Subject: </b>RE:
[CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd:
Names Community vs
the other two
communities</span><span
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lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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lang="EN-CA">Becky
– you raise a
very important
point as to
whether
unincorporated
entities can
enter into
enforceable
contracts. If
they can, it
may simplify
things
considerably
e.g. have
ccNSO, GNSO,
ALAC? 'take
over’ the
contact with
ICANN. I had
been labouring
under the
assumption
that the
ccNSO, GNSO
would have to
incorporate to
do this. How
can we get
clarity on
this?</span><span
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<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Burr,
Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
October-23-14
11:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b>
Milton L
Mueller; Fouad
Bajwa<br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><span
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<b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues]
Fwd: Names
Community vs
the other two
communities</span><span
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lang="EN-CA">Rather
than starting
with legal
constructs,
let’s begin by
talking about
what we need
to accomplish
requisite
accountability.
To me, we need
some
independent
committee,
council,
unincorporated
association,
or
representative
group to have
a contract
with
ICANN/IANA for
performing
IANA functions
consistent
with SLA’s to
be negotiated
and
documented.
We need this
entity,
presumably
representative
of IANA
service
consumers, to
have recourse
if the SLA’s
are not met. </span><span
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">If
this is
correct, then
we can look at
what kind of
legal entity
we need for
the “SLA
Council.”
Seems to me
that the core
of this group
would be
registry
operators,
perhaps with
representation
from other
stakeholders
like
registstrars,
registrants,
etc. Could be
stand alone or
perhaps housed
in ISOC or the
IETF? I am
pretty sure
that
unincorporated
associations
can enter into
enforceable
contracts,
etc. (For
example, the
National
Football
League in the
US is actually
an
unincorporated
association).</span><span
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<p
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">Second,
we need a
mechanism that
ensure
recourse and
redress for a
registry that
is wrongfully
revoked,
delegated,
etc. That
mechanism can
be provided to
all through
the ICANN
bylaws, e.g.,
as an
independent
review.</span><span
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lang="EN-CA">Milton
L Mueller <</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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lang="EN-CA">><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday,
October 23,
2014 at 11:17
AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Fouad
Bajwa <</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:fouadbajwa@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">fouadbajwa@gmail.com</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""
lang="EN-CA">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">"
<</span><span
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target="_blank"><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"
lang="EN-CA">><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:
[CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues]
Fwd: Names
Community vs
the other two
communities</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">Fouad:</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">By
the “technical
community
proposals” I
assume you
mean the
protocols
community. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">What
your argument
misses is that
IANA _<i>is</i>_
a separate
organizational
entity for
both the
numbers and
protocols
communities. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">The
protocol
community has
an MoU with
ICANN that
authorizes
ICANN to
perform the
IANA functions
for them. That
MoU can be
revoked, and
IETF can
decide to use
someone else.
That is the
perfect
accountability
mechanism.
Now, tell me
how the names
community
achieves that
same wonderful
state? There
are two ways
to do it: pull
the IANA out
of ICANN, or
set up a new
contracting
authority to
replace the
NTIA, which
could
periodically
award the
contract to
ICANN or to
anyone else
qualified. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">No
one wants “the
IANA technical
and policy
functions
[might] fall
into the hands
and whims of
governments.”
That in fact
is a
requirement
imposed on the
transition by
the NTIA. But
we do need to
make
significant
organizational
changes if we
are to meet
the
requirement of
accountability.
I think scare
talk about
take overs can
divert our
attention from
needed reforms
and I would
resist that
kind of talk.
</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US"> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
name="1494106fbb1f6ce0_1493ebcd61abac44_1493dc613f878322__MailE"></a><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<div
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<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I don't think that IANA should be
evolved as a
separate
entity at all
and create new
opportunities
for
bureaucracies
for
governments
and industry
control. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The technical community proposals are
highly
reasonable to
not make such
a big fuss out
of it and help
IANA
transition
under a body
that is
somewhat
messed up but
can be
improved in
the long run
however, ICANN
would need
some changes. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The technical community has also shown
its concern
that it
doesn't want
the IANA
technical and
policy
function to
fall into the
hands of the
whims of
governments
because it
functions to
the technical
community's
needs
adequately in
its present
environment
and role. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Your challenge and for the ICG is to
propose that
most
transparent
and
accountable
way forward
that ensures
an open and
inclusive
relationship
with the
Internet
community
treating
stakeholders
in their
respective
roles but not
giving
preference to
one group over
another
another. I
don't have to
go through the
Internet
Governance
ideals over
and over again
here.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">First ICANN Board control as the final
word for IANA
affairs would
have to be
reviewed and
should be
taken into a
broader
community
review
process. I do
not trust the
ICANN Board to
be able to
manage both
ICANN and IANA
in a
transparent
and
accountable
way, their
progress over
the years has
had its own
set of
troubles
already. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">The proposals are interesting but not
the final
word. The
final word
will remain
with NTIA and
thats my
concern from a
developing
country member
citizen
perspective. I
am going
through a
great deal of
suggestions
and proposals
and all show a
similar
aspect, don't
disturb the
IANA technical
function and
the policies
for IANA
developed by
the community
have work so
far but
require more
transparency,
accountability
and functional
relationships
with the
community
ensuring open
and inclusive
participation
in its policy
development
processes. </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Seun
Ojedeji <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">+1
Option 2 is
preferred from
my end also.
However i also
added Option 4
as a second
preference
just incase
things get
delayed with
the
accountability
process.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Cheers!</span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:15 PM,
Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Hello all,<br>
<br>
you might wish
to see an
expanded set
of "Options",
in a Google
Doc which has
been shared.<br>
<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8_edit-3Fusp-3Dsharing&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=fUDcpKHcSBfPHc8c3PFUK3EGMl9QAYJOV5JFJEPECSo&e="
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B46mlsyZUFF4bZfeWgGCdqIQHCP2BMOy4KZU4RiRiE8/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
<br>
So far, I note
that the
majority of
our
participants
on the
At-Large IANA
Issues WG
appears to
prefer Option
2.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><br>
<br>
</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">On 15/10/2014 22:55, Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond
wrote:</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal">[CWG-Stewardship]
Names
Community vs
the other two
communities</p>
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16 Oct 2014
02:40:47 +0530</p>
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class="MsoNormal">Guru
Acharya <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank"><gurcharya@gmail.com></a></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org"
target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></p>
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<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">How the names community approach will
differ from
the approach
adopted by the
numbers
community and
protocols
community?</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Numbers Community: APNIC has reached
consensus on
its proposal.
According to
the proposal,
IANA will
continue to
reside in
ICANN. It
proposes to
replace NTIA
oversight with
a Service
Level
Agreement
(SLA) and
Affirmation of
Commitment
(AOC) between
NRO and ICANN.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.slideshare.net_fullscreen_apnic_report-2Dianatransition_1&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=ipQr6NSV4s2YyeTKtleRzaehK6NnJP70z0QOuy57W7o&e="
target="_blank">www.slideshare.net/fullscreen/apnic/report-ianatransition/1</a></span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Protocols Community: The IETF draft
proposal
suggests that
no structural
changes are
required as a
result of the
transition.
The MOU
between ICANN
and the IETF
community will
continue to
govern the
existing
relationship.
Again, IANA
will continue
to reside in
ICANN.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Dietf-2Dianaplan-2Dicg-2Dresponse-2D00&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=hsoL84pOSYzJR4QRMfhJYR6ybddmed3Zi1M-kuVH5uQ&e="
target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ianaplan-icg-response-00</a></span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Therefore, neither the numbers
community, nor
the protocol
community
appear to be
in the
direction of
suggesting a
new MS
Oversight
Entity to
replace NTIA
and its
oversight.
Merely
contracts
between
existing
entities will
be updated to
replace NTIA
oversight.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Can the names community adopt a similar
approach? Can
a contractual
agreement
(SLA/AOC/MOU)
between ICANN
and GNSO/CCNSO
be expected to
replace NTIA
oversight?</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Clearly NO! This approach can not be
adopted by the
names
community
because the
names
community
resides within
ICANN, which
is also the
IANA operator.
Specifically,
GNSO and CCNSO
are
essentially
subsets of
ICANN, and
therefore a
contractual
agreement
(SLA/AOC/MOU)
between ICANN
and GNSO/CCNSO
can not be
expected to
replace NTIA
oversight.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Therefore, it is essential to either</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Option (i): create a new legal entity,
which has a
contractual
oversight
relationship
with ICANN.
This would be
similar to <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.internetgovernance.org_2014_08_04_students-2Dschool-2Dfaculty-2Don-2Diana-2Dtransition-2Dthe-2Dmeissen-2Dproposal_&d=AAMGaQ&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=iSr26xOvv_x1A2nuUqvtaRwVOgTvzV0efqUDkGy07cw&s=HC19PauLIvR68L1aaQZMUV1ysZRdzy1Rku_FhtwR4P0&e="
target="_blank">http://www.internetgovernance.org/2014/08/04/students-school-faculty-on-iana-transition-the-meissen-proposal/</a></span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Option (ii): expect ICANN to
self-regulate</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Option (iii): make a new legal entity
comprising of
CCNSO and GNSO
that is
structurally
independent of
ICANN and
require that
new entity to
enter into a
contractual
oversight
agreement
(SLA/AOC/MOU)
with ICANN.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">From the above three options, clearly
option (ii) is
not acceptable
because of the
lack of trust
in the ICANN
enhanced
accountability
process.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I also feel that option (iii) is not
feasible
because the
CCNSO and GNSO
are heavily
integrated
with ICANN and
structural
separation of
these two
communities
from ICANN
will be
in-feasible.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Also, from the Jordan Carter document,
the option on
page 7 can be
discarded,
which makes
ICANN the
oversight
body, as IANA
will continue
to reside in
ICANN, as
clearly
suggested by
the proposals
of the
protocols and
numbers
community.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Therefore, option (i) is clearly the
only option
available with
the names
community.</span><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Acharya</span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span><span style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
</div>
<p
class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US"><br>
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</span><span
style="color:black"
lang="EN-CA"></span></p>
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