<div dir="ltr">Oliver,<div><br></div><div>I agree we haven&#39;t reached consensus that we are going with an Oversight Council.</div><div><br></div><div>However, I figure this discussion is just with the hope of thrashing out alternatives so that we can eventually reach consensus.</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, as Allan suggested, I see two types of oversights emerging</div><div>1) Day to day oversight</div><div>2) Major review oversight<br></div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Day to day oversight&quot; include SLA-type responsibilities e.g. the current performance metric that 80% of root zone file and WHOIS database change requests be completed within 21 days.</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Major review oversight&quot; include change in IANA operator or any major review of IANA as done in 2011 by NTIA.</div><div><br></div><div>In my opinion, while &quot;day to day oversight&quot; is technical/operational; any &quot;major review oversight&quot; will involve policy issues.</div><div><br></div><div>I agree with Becky that &quot;day to day oversight&quot; only involves the registeries.</div><div><br></div><div>I however strongly feel that &quot;major review oversight&quot; involves the GAC and ALAC and other stakeholder groups from GNSO such as NCSG.</div><div><br></div><div>Establishing a &quot;separate mechanism&quot; for &quot;major review oversight&quot; appears to be cumbersome. Therefore i disagree with Alan and Milton.</div><div><br></div><div>I feel it is simpler to include all ACs and SGs in the &quot;Oversight Council&quot; to deal with &quot;major review oversight&quot;.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:20 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Hello all,<br>
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    irrespective of whether an &quot;Oversight Council&quot; is a desirable thing
    or not (I have not yet made up my mind about this, only having very
    basic information about it), I see a serious conflict of Interest
    where only the directly affected parties oversee operations that
    concern them directly. <br>
    There was much discussion about the GAC having seats. Although I
    have not asked them, I am pretty much sure that end users, as
    affected parties, would need a number of seats too.<br>
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    Kind regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<div><div class="h5"><br>
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    <div>On 29/10/2014 14:33, Burr, Becky wrote:<br>
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        <div>I’d envisioned the “Oversight Council” to be elected by
          registries (ccs and gs) organized in some fashion outside of
          the ICANN umbrella – so the IANA Oversight Inc. or other
          association we were talking about the other day.  It seems to
          me that the duties and authority of the Council would be
          determined by the membership of the organization (I.e., the
          registries) – so these questions would be resolved as part of
          structuring Oversight, Inc.  Let’s not create yet another
          separate mechanism.  Instead, figure out a way for the views
          of all stakeholders with respect to major decisions can be
          collected by Oversight, Inc. and taken into account in the
          process of developing major proposals.  </div>
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Guru Acharya &lt;<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday,
          October 29, 2014 at 9:35 AM<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Allan MacGillivray
          &lt;<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>Becky Burr &lt;<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>&gt;,
          &quot;<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>&quot;
          &lt;<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>&gt;,

          &quot;Lindeberg, Elise&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:elise.lindeberg@npt.no" target="_blank">elise.lindeberg@npt.no</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
          [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the
          other two communities<br>
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              <div>Postulates emerging from Allan&#39;s remarks:</div>
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              <div>The Oversight Council will monitor compliance with
                day to day technical SLA type requirements.<br>
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              <div>Even though the final contracting authority of
                changing the IANA operator will rest with the Oversight
                Council:<br>
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              <div>1) There will be a &quot;separate mechanism&quot; for
                recommending any major decision to the Oversight
                Council, including change of IANA operator</div>
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              <div>2) The Oversight Council will be bound to
                accept/implement the decision of the &quot;separate
                mechanism&quot;. </div>
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              <div>3) That &quot;separate mechanism&quot; will necessarily involve
                the views of the GAC.</div>
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              <div>4) That &quot;separate mechanism&quot; will be at an arms
                length from ICANN so that the ICANN board can not
                interfere since ICANN is the present IANA operator.</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>How do we intend to codify these characteristics of
                the &quot;separate mechanism&quot; so that the GAC can be assured
                that they will be consulted in case of change of the
                IANA operator? Maybe as part of a MOU between the
                Oversight Council and GAC+ALAC+GNSO+CCSNO?</div>
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              <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:32 PM,
                Allan MacGillivray <span dir="ltr">
                  &lt;<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>&gt;</span>
                wrote:<br>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I see the “oversight council”
                        as being a body that deals with IANA compliance
                        with day-to-day SLA-type responsibilities e.g.
                        the current performance metric that 80% of root
                        zone file and WHOIS database change requests be
                        completed within 21 days.  I would not expect
                        that governments (other than those that are
                        ccTLD operators) would have much interest in
                        this. However, were there to be major review of
                        these functions, such as that which the NTIA
                        initiated in 2011 with its NOI, or to change the
                        operator, then I would expect that the
                        responsibility for conducting such a review
                        would not fall on the ‘oversight council’ alone
                        and that in whatever mechanism that would be
                        established, there could be a role for
                        governments.</p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif" lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
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                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Guru Acharya<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> October-29-14 8:32 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Becky Burr<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>;
                          Lindeberg, Elise<br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
                          [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the
                          other two communities</span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">Becky. I agree with
                              your initial assessment that the
                              &quot;oversight council&quot; would focus on
                              &quot;technical and operational issues&quot; (as
                              opposed to policy issues); and
                              therefore GAC participation in the council
                              will not be required even though GAC
                              participation at an equal footing will not
                              be inconsistent with the multi-stakeholder
                              model. </p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">However, I think GAC
                                participation in the council might be
                                essential in the scenario where the
                                oversight council decides to change the
                                IANA operator in the future. If the
                                council decides to contract a different
                                operator (different from ICANN) in the
                                future, would it not lead to various
                                policy issues such as jurisdiction of
                                the new IANA operator, financing of the
                                new IANA operator etc - where the
                                insight of the GAC may be beneficial?</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Therefore I think GAC
                                should be a part of the oversight
                                council.</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Regards,</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Guru</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 28,
                                    2014 at 8:47 PM, Burr, Becky &lt;<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>&gt;
                                    wrote:</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks
                                            Elise, very helpful.  I was
                                            thinking that the “oversight
                                            counsel” would focus on
                                            technical and operational
                                            issues as opposed to policy
                                            issues ... But policy for
                                            IANA would remain in
                                            existing ICANN processes. 
                                            Could you help me understand
                                            which technical/operational
                                            IANA services might raise
                                            “public interest” concerns? 
                                            I agree with you that having
                                            some GAC reps on a Oversight
                                            Counsel would not be
                                            inconsistent with the
                                            Strickling view, but I am
                                            curious about why GAC might
                                            want to participate in that
                                            kind of counsel. </span></p>
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