<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Alan,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Let me clarify what I mean by politicization. And let me use your own analogy of hiring an electrician to fix the wiring in your house.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Yes, if you hire an electrician you have the right and the duty to engage in “oversight” as s/he does the work. What some people seem to be proposing here, however
is that both the decision which electrician to hire and the oversight of that work should be done not by you, but by a broadly representative neighborhood committee (because, you know, if your house burns down theirs might be affected ;-)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br><br></div><div>I think the example of Alan hiring an electrician for his house may not be as encompassing enough for the subject matter since Alan would normally have ownership of his household. <br><br>Try this: Alan wanting to fix a transformer that is used by the entire neighbourhood and after consulting with an electrician, he was made to realise that the transformer was okay but the solution required was to share the load by ensuring that each member of the neighbourhood does not exceed certain voltage level. I don't think determining such process and the oversight thereof will be done by Alan alone.<br><br></div><div>Cheers! <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><a name="149619d698712af0__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Alan Greenberg [mailto:<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:34 AM<br>
</span><b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am neither Olivier nor a +1, but I'll try.<br>
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First, the process IS politicized. All you are doing is ensuring that only one faction has a voice. Yes, as in political systems, that "simplifies things" but does not necessarily make it better. This entire discussion reminds me of the statement attributed
to the then CEO of General Motors - "What is good for General Motors is good for the Country (ie the USA)", a statement to which can rationalize all sorts of corporate misbehaviour seen in later year. In this case, "What is good for Registries is good for
the Internet". It will certainly be true much of the time, but I think it presumptuous to assume that this will be the case in all future instances. There may well be cases that in the future, that there is a policy that is decided governing how IANA is to
operate that does not meet with the complete satisfaction of registries. That is the nature of a multistakeholder policy process.<br>
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Second, if the policies, contracts, agreements, etc are clear, there should not be a lot of judgement call involved in this overseeing. And when there is, it indicates a problem that needs to be rectified at the policy/contractual level.<br>
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Alan<br>
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At 29/10/2014 11:47 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Olivier, and all the +1-ers, are ignoring the point that was made about the risks of circumventing or vetoing community policy by politicizing the operational and technical functions via this kind of ‘oversight’<br>
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Would you care to address this, please? <br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tracy Hackshaw @ Google<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lindeberg, Elise; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
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+1<br>
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<b>From: </b>Lindeberg, Elise<br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
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+ 1 <br>
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Elise<br>
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<b>PÃ¥ vegne av</b> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 29. oktober 2014 19:16<br>
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<b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
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Dear Becky,<br>
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thanks for detailing the various functions and going to depth showing none of the functions involve policy. To be frank, I am somehow baffled as to why end users would only be interested in policy and not operations.<br>
On 29/10/2014 17:45, Becky Burr wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Again, to be clear, I am not unalterably opposed to having other parts of the community participate, but I don’t understand why they would want to.<u></u><u></u></p>
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It's that set of eyes. End users would feel a lot happier if they could watch... and warn.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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