<html>
<head>
<meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
http-equiv="Content-Type">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
Agree with Chuck that Allan's second point is key. It is not at the
level of the IANA functions that policy issues will be resolved. If
the policies are developed through agreed bottom-up transparent
processes and are appropriately followed there should be very little
need for oversight of the IANA functions. (I think we all agree
that it is largely neutral and clerical - but important -
function.) The "oversight" or accountability ensuring mechanisms
must be with the policy making entities, in other words ICANN. We
should be wary of overloading the IANA functions with "oversight" -
if it is unnecessary it could be burdensome indeed detrimental to
the performance of the function itself. <br>
<br>
Matthew<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/30/2014 11:52 AM, Gomes, Chuck
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:6DCFB66DEEF3CF4D98FA55BCC43F152E49453CDD@BRN1WNEXMBX01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com"
type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
charset=ISO-8859-1">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 14 (filtered
medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Tahoma;
panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0in;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
span.EmailStyle17
{mso-style-type:personal-reply;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:8.5in 11.0in;
margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
think your last sentence is the key point. Policy
differences should be ‘</span>rectified at the
policy/contractual level<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">’.
That is a different level in the processes for gTLDs and
ccTLDs than when the IANA functions operator is actually
performing its services. I can’t speak for Milton, but I
think he is focusing on the very specific tasks that the
IANA functions operator does after the policy differences
have been resolved. One of the IANA functions enumerated in
the IANA functions contract is “</span>verifying that ICANN
followed its own policy framework including specific
documentation demonstrating how the process provided the
opportunity for input from relevant stakeholders and was
supportive of the global public interest<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
believe that this will be easier to discuss after the
subgroup finishes its work on RFP Section 2A, which I hope
will be before the next meeting.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Greenberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to
Olivier<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am neither Olivier nor a +1, but I'll
try.<br>
<br>
First, the process IS politicized. All you are doing is
ensuring that only one faction has a voice. Yes, as in
political systems, that "simplifies things" but does not
necessarily make it better. This entire discussion reminds me
of the statement attributed to the then CEO of General Motors
- "What is good for General Motors is good for the Country (ie
the USA)", a statement to which can rationalize all sorts of
corporate misbehaviour seen in later year. In this case, "What
is good for Registries is good for the Internet". It will
certainly be true much of the time, but I think it
presumptuous to assume that this will be the case in all
future instances. There may well be cases that in the future,
that there is a policy that is decided governing how IANA is
to operate that does not meet with the complete satisfaction
of registries. That is the nature of a multistakeholder policy
process.<br>
<br>
Second, if the policies, contracts, agreements, etc are clear,
there should not be a lot of judgement call involved in this
overseeing. And when there is, it indicates a problem that
needs to be rectified at the policy/contractual level.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 29/10/2014 11:47 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Olivier, and all the +1-ers, are ignoring
the point that was made about the risks of circumventing or
vetoing community policy by politicizing the operational and
technical functions via this kind of ‘oversight’<br>
<br>
Would you care to address this, please? <br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" name="_MailEndCompose"></a> <br>
<b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">
mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tracy Hackshaw @ Google<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lindeberg, Elise; Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to
Olivier<br>
<br>
+1<br>
<br>
Sent from BlackBerry Q10<br>
<b>From: </b>Lindeberg, Elise<br>
<b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:02 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a> <br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to
Olivier<br>
<br>
+ 1 <br>
<br>
Elise<br>
<br>
<b>Fra:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">
mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>PÃ¥ vegne av</b> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 29. oktober 2014 19:16<br>
<b>Til:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>
<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
<br>
Dear Becky,<br>
<br>
thanks for detailing the various functions and going to depth
showing none of the functions involve policy. To be frank, I
am somehow baffled as to why end users would only be
interested in policy and not operations.<br>
On 29/10/2014 17:45, Becky Burr wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">Again,
to be clear, I am not unalterably opposed to having other
parts of the community participate, but I don’t understand
why they would want to.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
It's that set of eyes. End users would feel a lot happier if
they could watch... and warn.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
CWG-Stewardship mailing list<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
CWG-Stewardship mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:CWG-Stewardship@icann.org">CWG-Stewardship@icann.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cwg-stewardship</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Matthew Shears
Director - Global Internet Policy and Human Rights
Center for Democracy & Technology (CDT)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mshears@cdt.org">mshears@cdt.org</a>
+ 44 771 247 2987</pre>
</body>
</html>