<div dir="ltr">My two cents on .NZ's setup.<div><br></div><div>It looks good on paper and has been shown to work for .NZ but I think I'm right in saying that all the separate arms are in the same building and all the heads of the different arms not only know one another but are actually quite good friends.</div><div><br></div><div>This is obviously great for .NZ but IANA is a very different animal. To extrapolate .NZ to the global root, you'd need to dig into the details of any disagreements and see how they were resolved - whether personally or through process. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kieren</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Well said Robert.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2014 11:21 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Aa much stronger oversight mechanism/body that has an enforcement capability over the board & staff. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alan Greenberg <<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 29, 2014 at 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Guru Acharya <<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>>, Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank">allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There is a potential problem with having just registries doing the oversight. Particularly for gTLD,s policy is set by a MS group (the GNSO) and it is possible that they
can set a policy that the gTLD registries do not approve of (they do not have a veto based on GNSO voting threshholds). If IANA were to not be implementing that policy properly, the oversight body, composed of only registries would have no incentive to call
IANA out on the problem.<br>
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At 29/10/2014 10:33 AM, Burr, Becky wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I’d envisioned the “Oversight Council” to be elected by registries (ccs and gs) organized in some fashion outside of the ICANN umbrella – so
the IANA Oversight Inc. or other association we were talking about the other day. It seems to me that the duties and authority of the Council would be determined by the membership of the organization (I.e., the registries) – so these questions would be resolved
as part of structuring Oversight, Inc. Let’s not create yet another separate mechanism. Instead, figure out a way for the views of all stakeholders with respect to major decisions can be collected by Oversight, Inc. and taken into account in the process
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From: Guru Acharya <<a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 at 9:35 AM<br>
To: Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank"> allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br>
Cc: Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a> >, "<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"> cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"> cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>>, "Lindeberg, Elise"
<<a href="mailto:elise.lindeberg@npt.no" target="_blank">elise.lindeberg@npt.no</a> ><br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities<br>
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Postulates emerging from Allan's remarks:<br>
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The Oversight Council will monitor compliance with day to day technical SLA type requirements.<br>
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1) There will be a "separate mechanism" for recommending any major decision to the Oversight Council, including change of IANA operator<br>
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3) That "separate mechanism" will necessarily involve the views of the GAC.<br>
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4) That "separate mechanism" will be at an arms length from ICANN so that the ICANN board can not interfere since ICANN is the present IANA operator.<br>
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How do we intend to codify these characteristics of the "separate mechanism" so that the GAC can be assured that they will be consulted in case of change of the IANA operator? Maybe as part of a MOU between the Oversight Council and GAC+ALAC+GNSO+CCSNO?<br>
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:32 PM, Allan MacGillivray <<a href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca" target="_blank"> allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I see the “oversight council” as being a body that deals with IANA compliance with day-to-day SLA-type responsibilities e.g. the current performance metric that 80% of root zone file and WHOIS
database change requests be completed within 21 days. I would not expect that governments (other than those that are ccTLD operators) would have much interest in this. However, were there to be major review of these functions, such as that which the NTIA
initiated in 2011 with its NOI, or to change the operator, then I would expect that the responsibility for conducting such a review would not fall on the ‘oversight council’ alone and that in whatever mechanism that would be established, there could be a role
for governments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">
mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Guru Acharya<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>; Lindeberg, Elise<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other two communities<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Becky. I agree with your initial assessment that the "oversight council" would focus on "technical and operational issues" (as opposed to policy issues); and therefore GAC participation in the
council will not be required even though GAC participation at an equal footing will not be inconsistent with the multi-stakeholder model.
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">However, I think GAC participation in the council might be essential in the scenario where the oversight council decides to change the IANA operator in the future. If the council decides to contract
a different operator (different from ICANN) in the future, would it not lead to various policy issues such as jurisdiction of the new IANA operator, financing of the new IANA operator etc - where the insight of the GAC may be beneficial?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Therefore I think GAC should be a part of the oversight council.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Burr, Becky <<a href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a> > wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks Elise, very helpful. I was thinking that the “oversight counsel” would focus on technical and operational issues as opposed to policy issues ... But policy for IANA would remain in existing
ICANN processes. Could you help me understand which technical/operational IANA services might raise “public interest” concerns? I agree with you that having some GAC reps on a Oversight Counsel would not be inconsistent with the Strickling view, but I am
curious about why GAC might want to participate in that kind of counsel. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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