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Chuck, no one is disagreeing with the concept of policy issues being
addressed as they are now. I am not sure how 2a will clarify this, but am
happy to wait. If everyone puts it on hold.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 30/10/2014 07:52 AM, Gomes, Chuck wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Alan,<br>
<br>
I think your last sentence is the key point. Policy differences
should be ‘rectified at the policy/contractual level’. That is
a different level in the processes for gTLDs and ccTLDs than when the
IANA functions operator is actually performing its services. I
can’t speak for Milton, but I think he is focusing on the very specific
tasks that the IANA functions operator does after the policy differences
have been resolved. One of the IANA functions enumerated in the
IANA functions contract is “verifying that ICANN followed its own
policy framework including specific documentation demonstrating how the
process provided the opportunity for input from relevant stakeholders and
was supportive of the global public interest”.<br>
<br>
I believe that this will be easier to discuss after the subgroup finishes
its work on RFP Section 2A, which I hope will be before the next
meeting. <br>
<br>
Chuck<br>
<br>
<b>From:</b> cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org
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mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan
Greenberg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller; cwg-stewardship@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
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I am neither Olivier nor a +1, but I'll try.<br><br>
First, the process IS politicized. All you are doing is ensuring that
only one faction has a voice. Yes, as in political systems, that
"simplifies things" but does not necessarily make it better.
This entire discussion reminds me of the statement attributed to the then
CEO of General Motors - "What is good for General Motors is good for
the Country (ie the USA)", a statement to which can rationalize all
sorts of corporate misbehaviour seen in later year. In this case,
"What is good for Registries is good for the Internet".
It will certainly be true much of the time, but I think it presumptuous
to assume that this will be the case in all future instances. There may
well be cases that in the future, that there is a policy that is decided
governing how IANA is to operate that does not meet with the complete
satisfaction of registries. That is the nature of a multistakeholder
policy process.<br><br>
Second, if the policies, contracts, agreements, etc are clear, there
should not be a lot of judgement call involved in this overseeing. And
when there is, it indicates a problem that needs to be rectified at the
policy/contractual level.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
At 29/10/2014 11:47 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<br><br>
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Olivier, and all the +1-ers, are ignoring the point that was made about
the risks of circumventing or vetoing community policy by politicizing
the operational and technical functions via this kind of
âoversightâ<br>
<br><br>
Would you care to address this, please? <br>
<br>
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+1<br>
<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
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+ 1 <br>
<br>
Elise<br>
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<b>Sendt:</b> 29. oktober 2014 19:16<br>
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<b>Emne:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] FW: Responding to Olivier<br>
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Dear Becky,<br><br>
thanks for detailing the various functions and going to depth showing
none of the functions involve policy. To be frank, I am somehow baffled
as to why end users would only be interested in policy and not
operations.<br>
On 29/10/2014 17:45, Becky Burr wrote:<br>
Again, to be clear, I am not unalterably opposed to having other parts of
the community participate, but I donât understand why they would want
to.<br><br>
It's that set of eyes. End users would feel a lot happier if they could
watch... and warn.<br>
Kind regards,<br><br>
Olivier<br><br>
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