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Hi Kieren <br>
You're quite correct that there are close relationships in this
example and parties do know each other well.<br>
However, and I'm not breaking any confidentiality to say so, there
have been disagreements from time to time - that is inevitable (and
healthy in my view). In relation to technical matters that is where
an SLA is crucial - setting basic measures and processes for how to
deal with disagreements such as non-performance or sub-standard
performance. <br>
FYI, the management and implementation of that on a day to day basis
is not handled by an oversight committee - it is handled by chief
executives. The overight function is a hands off, governance one.<br>
Joy<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/10/2014 7:19 a.m., Kieren
McCarthy wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">My two cents on .NZ's setup.
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<div>It looks good on paper and has been shown to work for .NZ
but I think I'm right in saying that all the separate arms are
in the same building and all the heads of the different arms
not only know one another but are actually quite good friends.</div>
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<div>This is obviously great for .NZ but IANA is a very
different animal. To extrapolate .NZ to the global root, you'd
need to dig into the details of any disagreements and see how
they were resolved - whether personally or through process. </div>
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<div>Kieren</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:28 AM,
Gomes, Chuck <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Well
said Robert.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Guerra<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs the other
two communities</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The issue is how to possibly
add in -</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- The ability to strengthen
the ability for concerns to be raised</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">- Aa much stronger oversight
mechanism/body that has an enforcement
capability over the board & staff. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Robert</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 29, 2014, at 2:17
PM, Burr, Becky <<a
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If
IANA is not implementing policy
properly, the GNSO would call the
Board and staff out. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Alan
Greenberg <<a
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target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, October 29,
2014 at 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Becky Burr <<a
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href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz"
target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>,
Guru Acharya <<a
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<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community vs
the other two communities</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">There
is a potential problem with having
just registries doing the oversight.
Particularly for gTLD,s policy is
set by a MS group (the GNSO) and it
is possible that they can set a
policy that the gTLD registries do
not approve of (they do not have a
veto based on GNSO voting
threshholds). If IANA were to not be
implementing that policy properly,
the oversight body, composed of only
registries would have no incentive
to call IANA out on the problem.<br>
<br>
Alan<br>
<br>
At 29/10/2014 10:33 AM, Burr, Becky
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I’d
envisioned the “Oversight Council”
to be elected by registries (ccs and
gs) organized in some fashion
outside of the ICANN umbrella – so
the IANA Oversight Inc. or other
association we were talking about
the other day. It seems to me that
the duties and authority of the
Council would be determined by the
membership of the organization
(I.e., the registries) – so these
questions would be resolved as part
of structuring Oversight, Inc.
Let’s not create yet another
separate mechanism. Instead, figure
out a way for the views of all
stakeholders with respect to major
decisions can be collected by
Oversight, Inc. and taken into
account in the process of developing
major proposals. <br>
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From: Guru Acharya <<a
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Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 at
9:35 AM<br>
To: Allan MacGillivray <<a
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href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca"
target="_blank">
allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>><br>
Cc: Becky Burr <<a
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target="_blank">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>
>, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">
cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>>,
"Lindeberg, Elise" <<a
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target="_blank">elise.lindeberg@npt.no</a>
><br>
Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship]
[IANA-issues] Fwd: Names Community
vs the other two communities<br>
<br>
Postulates emerging from Allan's
remarks:<br>
<br>
The Oversight Council will monitor
compliance with day to day technical
SLA type requirements.<br>
<br>
Even though the final contracting
authority of changing the IANA
operator will rest with the
Oversight Council:<br>
<br>
1) There will be a "separate
mechanism" for recommending any
major decision to the Oversight
Council, including change of IANA
operator<br>
<br>
2) The Oversight Council will be
bound to accept/implement the
decision of the "separate
mechanism".
<br>
<br>
3) That "separate mechanism" will
necessarily involve the views of the
GAC.<br>
<br>
4) That "separate mechanism" will be
at an arms length from ICANN so that
the ICANN board can not interfere
since ICANN is the present IANA
operator.<br>
<br>
How do we intend to codify these
characteristics of the "separate
mechanism" so that the GAC can be
assured that they will be consulted
in case of change of the IANA
operator? Maybe as part of a MOU
between the Oversight Council and
GAC+ALAC+GNSO+CCSNO?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 6:32 PM,
Allan MacGillivray <<a
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href="mailto:allan.macgillivray@cira.ca"
target="_blank">
allan.macgillivray@cira.ca</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I
see the “oversight council” as being
a body that deals with IANA
compliance with day-to-day SLA-type
responsibilities e.g. the current
performance metric that 80% of root
zone file and WHOIS database change
requests be completed within 21
days. I would not expect that
governments (other than those that
are ccTLD operators) would have much
interest in this. However, were
there to be major review of these
functions, such as that which the
NTIA initiated in 2011 with its NOI,
or to change the operator, then I
would expect that the responsibility
for conducting such a review would
not fall on the ‘oversight council’
alone and that in whatever mechanism
that would be established, there
could be a role for governments.</span></p>
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On Behalf Of Guru Acharya</span></p>
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October-29-14 8:32 AM</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">To:
Becky Burr</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cc:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>;
Lindeberg, Elise</span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Subject:
Re: [CWG-Stewardship] [IANA-issues]
Fwd: Names Community vs the other
two communities</span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Becky.
I agree with your initial assessment
that the "oversight council" would
focus on "technical and operational
issues" (as opposed to policy
issues); and therefore GAC
participation in the council will
not be required even though GAC
participation at an equal footing
will not be inconsistent with the
multi-stakeholder model.
</span></p>
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<span
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">However,
I think GAC participation in the
council might be essential in the
scenario where the oversight council
decides to change the IANA operator
in the future. If the council
decides to contract a different
operator (different from ICANN) in
the future, would it not lead to
various policy issues such as
jurisdiction of the new IANA
operator, financing of the new IANA
operator etc - where the insight of
the GAC may be beneficial?</span></p>
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<span
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Therefore
I think GAC should be a part of the
oversight council.</span></p>
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<span
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<span
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">On
Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Burr,
Becky <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Becky.Burr@neustar.biz" target="_blank">Becky.Burr@neustar.biz</a>
> wrote:</span></p>
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<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks
Elise, very helpful. I was thinking
that the “oversight counsel” would
focus on technical and operational
issues as opposed to policy issues
... But policy for IANA would remain
in existing ICANN processes. Could
you help me understand which
technical/operational IANA services
might raise “public interest”
concerns? I agree with you that
having some GAC reps on a Oversight
Counsel would not be inconsistent
with the Strickling view, but I am
curious about why GAC might want to
participate in that kind of counsel.
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