<div dir="ltr">I quite like the current form of the proposal and feel we are headed in the right direction.<div><br></div><div>That said, I can understand why Olivier is upset.</div><div><br></div><div>We started off with three strawman proposals, which were modular and mix and match, leading to an endless number of permutations to be discussed in Frankfurt.</div><div><br></div><div>The discussion in Frankfurt started on a good constructive note wherein there appeared to be immediate consensus that IANA should stay in ICANN; eliminating the modular aspects of Strawman 2 & 3 that represented IANA as a subsidiary and IANA as an independent corporation.</div><div><br></div><div>Then we came to the discussion of the Oversight Body and there appeared to be somewhat of a prolonged disagreement/holdout.</div><div><br></div><div>After a break, the coordinators completely abandoned the Strawman approach and adopted a new approach, which everybody was slightly unprepared for. This approach was to understand and list down the functions that NTIA performs. This eventually turned into an exercise of faithfully replicating the functions that NTIA performs. Replicating the NTIA functions eventually led to the creation of a PRT, CSC and finally the Contract Co for holding the IANA contract (that NTIA currently holds). </div><div><br></div><div>People slowly started realising that an exercise to faithfully replicate NTIA automatically eliminates options that diverge from the NTIA model. For example, the non-contractual model that Olivier seems to be arguing in favour of, or the trust-like model that Avri argued for, or the model that Bertrand now suggests, would naturally be eliminated from the discussion.</div><div><br></div><div>By this time it was the last RFP3 session of the last day of the conference. Participants did object to the creation of Contract Co in the followup sessions on the way ahead. These objections were tackled by saying nothing in final and everything is open to change.</div><div><br></div><div>I can therefore understand why Olivier is up in arms when he now hears that the Contract Co is final.</div><div><br></div><div>Funny are the ways of a multi-stakeholder process. In this case, mostly driven by lack of time. </div><div><br></div><div>Please forgive me if my reading of Frankfurt is shallow. I am not pointing fingers. Given the lack of time that we have had, I think Frankfurt was handled exceptionally well. And I reiterate that I feel that the current proposal is headed in the right direction. I'm just glad i'm not on the other side of the argument.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Greg,<br>
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again, did we ever consider an alternative to creating a
corporation?<br>
Kind regards,<br>
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Olivier<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>Olivier,<br>
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I'm not sure exactly what you mean by the "configuration" of
Contract Co. We certainly have discussed the "form" the
entity would take, i.e., a nonprofit corporation. Place of
incorporation has not been significantly discussed in recent
days, though we had a number of email exchanges and some
discussion of jurisdiction earlier in a variety of contexts.<br>
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Greg<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:19 PM,
Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bertrand de La Chapelle<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is the idea of a contract
Co. a done deal? Establishing any organization
with whatever limited staff is usually a
recipe for its growth in time. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">MM:
The idea that there should be a contracting
entity separate from ICANN is, I believe, a
done deal. It reflects some of the
principles we agreed on (such as
separability) and the general agreement
that, as the draft proposal says, </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:30.5pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">“The
current arrangements provided by the NTIA
for the oversight and accountability of the
IANA Functions are generally satisfactory
and the objective of the CWG is to replicate
these as faithfully as possible” </span></p>
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</span> This is not at all how I understood it. The
discussion on whether the "contracting entity" should be a
contract co. or something else has never been touched -
certainly no alternatives have been seriously considered.<span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">MM:
On the other hand, whether the specific
configuration of the Contract Co. is optimal
for achieving those purposes could still be
open. I would say is still open to
_modification_; any modification that
accomplishes the agreed objectives but
avoids any problems that might arise would
be welcomed by the CWG I imagine.</span></p>
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</span> The configuration of the Contract Co. has not been
discussed either. We know what functions should be
undertaken and what broad characteristics would be needed.
No discussion of jurisdiction nor configuration of the
entity has been done except on RFP4 call today where we
started to touch on it.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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