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Dear Greg,<br>
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for the record, my understanding was like Alan's.<br>
There was specific mention of a "Committee". The "Service Level
Agreement" could be part of a MoU which does not need legal entities
like a formal contract.<br>
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Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/12/2014 07:35, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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<div>Alan:<br>
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Strawman 1 was not an "internal to ICANN" proposal. The
part that you quote refers to the IANA Functions
Operator remaining ICANN. That does not make it an
internal to ICANN approach. The current proposal also
leaves ICANN as the IANA Functions Operator. By that
measure, the current proposal is just as much "internal
to ICANN."<br>
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An "internal to ICANN" approach would be one where there
was no external entity (legal or otherwise involved) and
oversight, accountability and all of the other roles
currently performed by NTIA are performed by bodies
internal to ICANN.<br>
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You go on to say that there was "clearly no other entity
holding the contract." This is incorrect. I draw your
attention to the section "Documentation to Replace NTIA
Contract," which reads:<br>
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<font><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><u><span
style="line-height:115%">Service
Level Agreement</span></u><span
style="line-height:115%">.<span> </span>The OPRC and
ICANN will enter into a Service
Level Agreement for the performance of the technical
and administrative IANA
functions.<span> </span>The SLA would run for an
initial term of three years and would be renewed upon
the agreement of the OPRC
and the IANA Functions Operator.</span></span></font><br>
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A "Service Level Agreement" is a form of contract -- so there
is clearly a contract. And it states that the "OPRC and ICANN
will enter into" this contact. So there is clearly an "other
entity" holding the contract.<br>
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You also state that the OPRC is an "internal committee." This is
also incorrect. The section on legal status of OPRC states "<font><span
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><u><span
style="line-height:115%">Legal
Status</span></u><span style="line-height:115%">.<span>
</span>The OPRC will be a committee rather than a
separate incorporated entity.<span> </span>[The
committee may be considered an “unincorporated
association,” and will be
domiciled in [California or the U.S. or Switzerland or
some other place] to the
extent that the committee has a legal identity.]."
Nowhere does this state or even imply that the OPRC is an
ICANN Committee. Indeed the fact that there is a
discussion of domicile and that OPRC will enter into an
agreement with ICANN can only lead to the conclusion that
the OPRC is external ICANN.</span></span></font>
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<div>I stand by my earlier statement -- <span class="">I
don't think an
"internal to ICANN" proposal was ever put on the table
within
the group prior to Frankfurt in any kind of tangible,
concrete
fashion.<br>
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<div><span class="">Greg<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 11:42 PM,
Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a
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I have to disagree. <br>
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<blockquote type="cite"><font color="#0000FF"><b>
Strawman Proposal 1</b></font><br>
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<b>4 Status of IANA Functions Operator<br>
</b><br>
a <u>Division of ICANN</u>. The IANA Functions
Operator will remain
a division of ICANN.<br>
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b <u>Enhanced Separability</u>. ICANN will maintain
the current
separation between ICANN and IANA, and will make the
IANA Functions
Operator more easily separable from ICANN, if
separation becomes
necessary at some future time.</blockquote>
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There was a "Review Committee" but clearly no other
entity
holding the contract. Strawman 1 did, nonsensically,
posit that the
internal committee could initiate an RFP. for a "new"
operator,
but this too confirmed the the "old" operator was
ICANN.<br>
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The references to an oversight "mechanism" also alluded
to
something other than an external contract-holding
entity.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
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Alan</font></span><span class=""><br>
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At 30/11/2014 01:50 PM, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Frankly, I don't think an
"internal to ICANN" proposal was ever put on the
table within
the group prior to Frankfurt in any kind of
tangible, concrete
fashion.</blockquote>
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