<div dir="ltr">Seun,<div><br></div><div>I think you misunderstand. No one is resisting the effort to capture all comments. Indeed, this is a core task that staff undertakes in any public comment period. So, your concerns are unfounded.</div><div><br></div><div>The objection was made only to releasing those "captured" comments in a "daily log" format, out of concern we would give inappropriate weight to these early comments versus comments that come later in the process.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I think you are jumping to conclusions about what this conversation is an "indication" of -- conclusions that conveniently fit with your views. I think this conclusion is unfounded as well. Thinking that this discussion about whether it's a good idea to review early comments somehow reveals anyone's view of the draft proposal is meritless.</div><div><br></div><div>Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I don't understand the opposition here. Someone has volunteered to make an attempt to capture all comments and it seem we are resisting such effort. I don't want to believe that we are not interested in capturing every contribution fairly.</p>
<p dir="ltr">This continuously brings me to worry about what we have put up for comments... It's seem to be an indication that deep inside us we know it's not close being a solution.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I am entirely open to discussing comments even as they come in.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 Dec 2014 21:24, "Milton L Mueller" <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And I agree with Greg agreeing with everybody. I’m in a really agreeable mood today ;-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Seriously, my point was exactly that we need to avoid either sequence or recency bias. When all the comments are in they should be processed and analyzed as a
whole, each comment treated equally. I am sorry that Bernard doesn’t understand how sequence might privilege certain comments and I won’t bore with the explanation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If others find the service useful I have no strong objection to them reading it. However, I would ask the chairs to enforce a ban, punishable by banishment to
MySpace ;-), on anyone on this list saying, BEFORE the deadline, “oh the public comments are saying X so we have to do Y or Z” or any other form of premature analysis or conclusion-drawing from an incomplete set of comments. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 3, 2014 11:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Milton L Mueller; Bernard Turcotte; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for Wednesday December 3rd<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with everybody. It's definitely helpful. At the same time, we should consciously avoid privileging early comments in any fashion. If these first submissions are any indication, that might not be too difficult.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We should also avoid the opposite. I seem to recall discussions in my college psych courses of two cognitive biases: the "primacy effect" and the "recency effect." While this is not really the same thing, it may be a useful analogy. Milton
cautions us against something analogous to the "primacy effect," if I recall correctly. We should also caution ourselves against something like the "recency effect." In other words, we should not let the order in which comments come in influence our attention
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:47 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for Wednesday December 3rd</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Appreciate the attempt but I am not sure this is a good idea. If this public comment period is like
every one I have ever seen before, 90% of the comments will come on the day of the deadline or perhaps a day before. The running log therefore kind of privileges early comments as they trickle in. Then we will be hit with a deluge at the end anyway. Might
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bernard Turcotte<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:35 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [CWG-Stewardship] CWG - Public Comment summary for Wednesday December 3rd</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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