<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><br><div><div>On 2 Dec 2014, at 17:00, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@SYR.EDU">mueller@SYR.EDU</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Desiree:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, according to you, the lawyer (counsel) who authorizes delegations/redelegations would be provided by the ccNSO? Or from some other “group of ccTLDs”? </span></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don't think that there is so much form or detail necessary right now, as long as there is a foreseen mechanism that can be used. </div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">what if the ccNSO lawyer had one opinion and the lawyer provided by another group had a different opinion? Not criticizing, just trying to understand what is being proposed.</span></font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Right.</div><div><br></div><div>+1 to Becky and Paul. As long as there is a way for a ccTLD ( be it part or not part of the ccNSO group or not) to challenge the process or the decision, that is all that is required. {who knows, nonccNSO ccTLDs may all join the ccNSO in the foreseable future}</div><div><br></div><div>hope this helps</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Desiree</div><div>--<br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Erick:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">My opinion of the legal status of a ccTLD is not relevant to answering those questions. I repeat: I am not criticizing the proposal, I am just trying to understand what is being proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></font></div><div style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; padding: 0in 0in 0in 4pt;"><div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-weight: bold;">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Desiree Miloshevic [<a href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:51 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton L Mueller<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CWG Stewardship<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Milton<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Before you respond to Erick - I'll just say add that, for example, the ccNSO FOIWG worked on interpretation of RFC 1591 and other IANA related policy guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><a href="http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/foi-final-07oct14-en.pdf" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/foi-final-07oct14-en.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">My understanding is that bodies like the ccNSO or group of ccTLDs are there to develop policies regarding the delegation and redelegation of ccTLDs.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">It's my personal view that it could potentially form such a council in future and give opinions. (independent of ICANN board).<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Desiree<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">--<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></font></div></div><div><div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">On 2 Dec 2014, at 15:30, Erick Iriarte <<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Milton<br>to understand better your message and position: for you exactly what is the legal status of a cctld ?<br>Erick<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></font></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">El 2/12/2014, a las 10:16, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mueller@syr.edu</a>> escribió:<br><br>I have some questions regarding this:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>"The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of ICANN) that each delegation and re-delegation request meets the policy requirements cited in the publicly posted reports."<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Where would this counsel come from?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Whose counsel is it if it is independent of ICANN and ICANN is supplying the IANA service?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Since most of the policy requirements related to ccTLD delegation/redelegation are not laws, but things like RFC 1591, on what basis is the counsel's opinion made? Precedent?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Milton L. Mueller<br>Laura J. and L. 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