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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Martin Boyle <<a href="mailto:martin.boyle@nominet.org.uk">martin.boyle@nominet.org.uk</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Thursday, December 4, 2014 at 2:52 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Becky Burr <<a href="mailto:becky.burr@neustar.biz">becky.burr@neustar.biz</a>>, Erick Iriarte <<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</a>>, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Becky,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">If you are saying that you would want the right to challenge any revocation/redelegation decision associated with .us, I would agree with you and
that is built into the proposal via the Independent Appeals Panel. If you think it appropriate for .us to appeal a decision made for .uk, I’m less than sure I like the idea. In fact I think I’d see it as meddling in another country’s ccTLD and I would consider
that to be of serious concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Of course there is an option for
<i>ex-post</i> assessment of IANA decisions against policy (and I think that a repository of case histories would be of value for a significantly interested party appealing a decision), but that would not be an authorisation process.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For the moment I am not convinced about the need to replicate the NTIA authorisation process – which was always a source of considerable suspicion
and international political opposition to the US government’s role. I am not convinced that NTIA ever exercised its veto over a delegation. And formalising it in the new process introduces a gatekeeper function that I think is inappropriate. I’d also wonder
about the liability of the entity that played that role.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Burr, Becky<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 03 December 2014 22:40<br>
<b>To:</b> Erick Iriarte; Milton L Mueller<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">The ccNSO is the source of delegation/revocation policy, based on multistakeholder processes, consensus, etc. That is very different from making a judgment
in any particular case whether the policy is being applied properly. There are also complicated national law and jurisdictional issues that arise in the ccTLD context. As a ccTLD operator and a gTLD operator, I would want the right to challenge any revocation/redel
decision on a case by case basis. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To: </b>Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: black;">almost is important to understand what is the basis of your comment, but is your decision share with us your opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">So, according to you, the lawyer (counsel) who authorizes delegations/redelegations would be provided by the ccNSO? Or from some other “group of ccTLDs”?
what if the ccNSO lawyer had one opinion and the lawyer provided by another group had a different opinion? Not criticizing, just trying to understand what is being proposed.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>CWG Stewardship<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Before you respond to Erick - I'll just say add that, for example, the ccNSO FOIWG worked on interpretation of RFC 1591 and other IANA related policy guidelines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 2 Dec 2014, at 15:30, Erick Iriarte <<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com"><span style="color:purple">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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to understand better your message and position: for you exactly what is the legal status of a cctld ?<br>
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I have some questions regarding this:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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"The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of ICANN) that each delegation and re-delegation request meets the policy requirements cited in the publicly posted reports."<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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Where would this counsel come from?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Whose counsel is it if it is independent of ICANN and ICANN is supplying the IANA service?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Since most of the policy requirements related to ccTLD delegation/redelegation are not laws, but things like RFC 1591, on what basis is the counsel's opinion made? Precedent?<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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