<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Paul M Kane - CWG <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul.kane-cwg@icb.co.uk" target="_blank">paul.kane-cwg@icb.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">+1<br>
<br>
Please note there is no suggestion that ICANN is not respecting the position of<br>
the "independent" ccTLDs and trying to use the IANA transition as a power grab -<br>
if it were to (ab)use the transition, there would be opposition<br></blockquote><div><br>+1<br><br></div><div>Cheers! <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Best<br>
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Paul<br>
<span class=""><br>
Quoting "Gomes, Chuck" <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com">cgomes@verisign.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> +1<br>
><br>
> Chuck<br>
><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Burr, Becky<br>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:40 PM<br>
> To: Erick Iriarte; Milton L Mueller<br>
> Cc: CWG Stewardship<br>
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<br>
><br>
> The ccNSO is the source of delegation/revocation policy, based on<br>
> multistakeholder processes, consensus, etc. That is very different from<br>
> making a judgment in any particular case whether the policy is being applied<br>
> properly. There are also complicated national law and jurisdictional issues<br>
> that arise in the ccTLD context. As a ccTLD operator and a gTLD operator, I<br>
> would want the right to challenge any revocation/redel decision on a case by<br>
> case basis.<br>
><br>
><br>
> J. Beckwith Burr<br>
> Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer<br>
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> From: Erick Iriarte<br>
> <<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</a>>><br>
<span class="">> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM<br>
</span>> To: Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>><br>
> Cc: CWG Stewardship<br>
> <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>>><br>
<span class="">> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<br>
><br>
> Dear Milton<br>
><br>
> almost is important to understand what is the basis of your comment, but is<br>
> your decision share with us your opinion.<br>
><br>
> Yours,<br>
><br>
> Erick<br>
><br>
> El 2/12/2014, a las 12:00, Milton L Mueller<br>
</span>> <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>> escribió:<br>
<span class="">><br>
> Desiree:<br>
> So, according to you, the lawyer (counsel) who authorizes<br>
> delegations/redelegations would be provided by the ccNSO? Or from some other<br>
> "group of ccTLDs"? what if the ccNSO lawyer had one opinion and the lawyer<br>
> provided by another group had a different opinion? Not criticizing, just<br>
> trying to understand what is being proposed.<br>
><br>
> Erick:<br>
> My opinion of the legal status of a ccTLD is not relevant to answering those<br>
> questions. I repeat: I am not criticizing the proposal, I am just trying to<br>
> understand what is being proposed.<br>
><br>
><br>
> From: Desiree Miloshevic [mailto:<a href="mailto:dmiloshevic@afilias.info">dmiloshevic@afilias.info</a>]<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:51 AM<br>
> To: Milton L Mueller<br>
> Cc: CWG Stewardship<br>
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<br>
><br>
> Milton<br>
><br>
> Before you respond to Erick - I'll just say add that, for example, the ccNSO<br>
> FOIWG worked on interpretation of RFC 1591 and other IANA related policy<br>
> guidelines.<br>
><br>
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<span class="">><br>
> My understanding is that bodies like the ccNSO or group of ccTLDs are there<br>
> to develop policies regarding the delegation and redelegation of ccTLDs.<br>
> It's my personal view that it could potentially form such a council in future<br>
> and give opinions. (independent of ICANN board).<br>
><br>
> Desiree<br>
> --<br>
><br>
> On 2 Dec 2014, at 15:30, Erick Iriarte<br>
</span><span class="">> <<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:eiriarte@iriartelaw.com">eiriarte@iriartelaw.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Milton<br>
> to understand better your message and position: for you exactly what is the<br>
> legal status of a cctld ?<br>
> Erick<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> El 2/12/2014, a las 10:16, Milton L Mueller<br>
</span>> <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mueller@syr.edu</a>>> escribió:<br>
<span class="">><br>
> I have some questions regarding this:<br>
><br>
> "The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with<br>
> regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of ICANN)<br>
> that each delegation and re-delegation request meets the policy requirements<br>
> cited in the publicly posted reports."<br>
><br>
> Where would this counsel come from?<br>
> Whose counsel is it if it is independent of ICANN and ICANN is supplying the<br>
> IANA service?<br>
> Since most of the policy requirements related to ccTLD<br>
> delegation/redelegation are not laws, but things like RFC 1591, on what basis<br>
> is the counsel's opinion made? Precedent?<br>
><br>
> Milton L. Mueller<br>
> Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor<br>
> Syracuse University School of Information Studies<br>
><br>
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