<div dir="ltr">Milton,<div><br></div><div>I'll take a quick stab at these questions, inline below.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I agree with what Becky Burr asserted below. But everyone seems to have lost track of what the original question
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" color="black" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of
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</span><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I simply asked:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Where does this written opinion come from?</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GS: Independent counsel. Probably some poor shmuck in a very large law firm with very good malpractice insurance. Being a legal review, said shmuck would review all of the relevant policy, and relevant implementation guidance (hopefully with a fair amount of prior knowledge, so this is a review not a major learning experience), and determine whether there was any divergence between said policy and the del/redel request. Since the del/redel reports are supposed to cite to policy, this would not be too much of a research project, assuming the del/redel request is filled out accurately.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And…</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div>: <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">What is the procedure for appointing an independent counsel to provide it?</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GS: I don't think this has been discussed much. I might suggest an RFP, issued by the MRT. This implies enough revenue to keep the lawyer(s) fed.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can someone simply try to answer that question? </span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GS: That's my try. Frankly, I'm not overly enthusiastic about this concept. I'm not sure the task is well matched to the lawyers' skill set, but, if it's a review against policy, it may not be a bad fit. I guess lawyers may be more willing to give this kind of opinion than some other professionals. I might expect some caveats on that opinion, as lawyers do, to keep their malpractice insurers happy. So the question is, if not lawyers, who is willing to be the last set of eyes before it goes to Verisign to be entered into the root?. </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, December 3, 2014 5:40 PM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<u></u><u></u></font></div></div><p></p>
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is very different from making a judgment in any particular case whether the policy is being applied properly. There are also complicated national law and jurisdictional issues that arise in the ccTLD context. As a ccTLD operator and a gTLD operator, I would
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span></b>Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span></b>Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span></b>CWG Stewardship <<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span></b>Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">So, according to you, the lawyer (counsel) who authorizes delegations/redelegations would be provided by the ccNSO?
Or from some other “group of ccTLDs”? what if the ccNSO lawyer had one opinion and the lawyer provided by another group had a different opinion? Not criticizing, just trying to understand what is being proposed.</span></font><font color="black"><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b><span> </span>Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:51 AM<br>
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to understand better your message and position: for you exactly what is the legal status of a cctld ?<br>
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I have some questions regarding this:<span> </span><br>
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"The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of ICANN) that each delegation and re-delegation request meets the policy requirements cited in the publicly posted reports."<span> </span><br>
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Where would this counsel come from?<span> </span><br>
Whose counsel is it if it is independent of ICANN and ICANN is supplying the IANA service?<span> </span><br>
Since most of the policy requirements related to ccTLD delegation/redelegation are not laws, but things like RFC 1591, on what basis is the counsel's opinion made? Precedent?<span> </span><br>
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