<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"></span></font><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I think this proposal is not viable. In effect, it makes the ICANN board the <br></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This is yet another example of people tying themselves in knots and putting at risk the separability principle in
order to avoid the simple expedient of creating a Contract Co. But why do you fear the Contract Co so much? No clear rationale for avoiding this has ever been put forward.
</span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Just for the record, i don't fear a contract co but i fear a contract co whose details i am yet to see and review. I also fear a contract co which will be receiving directive from set of people referred to as multi-stakeholder (the set of people which i am yet to also see the details of its formation). So we cannot afford not to have details of Contract co and MRT to determine what the future will look like<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If you want to be able to move the IANA functions contract it is much cleaner and simpler to have an independent,
separate contract co. </span></font></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again its pains me that all we are concerned about is moving IANA, can we just be concerned about building an organisation for once. Thinking all over my head and wondering what's the extreme scenario where it would be concluded that ICANN is no longer worthy of IANA? I am thinking of that and imagining that a lot and i mean a lot would have gone wrong to warrant that conclusion. If we then move IANA to another operator, the other question is what's the policy source going to be? ICANN's? so what have we solved if the policy source is still ICANN? and if policy source is not ICANN, it will then mean building something like ICANN again....so again what have we solved!!!<br><br></div><div>Unfortunately some on this list will have retired by then and may not be able to witness all this neither will they have strength to fix things then.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of
</span></b>Maarten Simon<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:56 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> 'Eduardo Diaz'; Holly Raiche</span></font></p><div><div class="h5"><font face="Calibri"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="NL">Hi all,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I am of the same opinion and wonder, not noing much about Californian corporate law, if we could find a solution
in adding specific elements to ICANN’s bylaws specifically aimed on the IANA function.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">If we could arrange via the bylaws that the ICANN board explicitly has to follow orders from a MRT-like structure,
we might not need a contract but have an (internal) MoU/SLA or whatever. If the ICANN board would at a certain moment in time still decide not to follow orders of the MRT, I would assume it may be sued by affected parties for violating its own bylaws. We further
may dictate in the bylaws that ICANN has to give up the IANA function if decided by this MRT and of course seal it by dictating that these specific articles may only be changed with the explicit consent of the MRT.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">As I said, I have no clue if such a solution would be possible under Californian law. Under my legal system I think
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Eduardo Diaz<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> woensdag 3 december 2014 1:19<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Holly Raiche<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Do we really need a Contracting Co.?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Holly Raiche <<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">Yes, we appear to be going down the second route. But there are still questions around that route. Alan’s (and Olivier’s and many other's) inputs have asked
hard questions about the route - as have I. In particular, I asked about the proposed Contract Co. If it is to be created, what is to be its nature, size, powers, funding. From Greg, it emerged that what was envisaged was a shelf company and the multi stakeholder
processes under its umbrella would be the mechanisms of accountability. Since then, it appears that the Contract Co will be more than a shelf company, so the many questions about its nature, powers, funding remain. And without answers, I am not sure why
the first alternative - fixing the accountability mechanisms - has been rejected. It appears we are hoping the creation of a legal entity (however small) will solve problems. I remain to be convinced.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">On 3 Dec 2014, at 7:21 am, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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Thanks a lot for sharing this url....its really useful and i am going to hope that the accountability team are looking at scenarios like that to fix ICANN. Inview of this, there are generally 2 routes:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">- Fix the accountability mechanisms within ICANN and let the NTIA role naturally go away<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">- While the accountability mechanism is yet to be fixed, provide a means by which IANA can still be moved out of ICANN
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">I presume we are currently going the second route at the moment. So a question that i may ask is, will it not be better to work
towards the first route through the second route? This will mean maintaining the ability to move IANA from current operator with an external body (can be an existing body like ISOC, IETF etc) or the lightweight (Contracting Co earlier proposed) and then provide
certain principles/mechanisms that this CWG expect to have been addressed within specific time-frame.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">That will give ICANN (and its community) enough time to work on improving its accountability measures within the timeline indicated
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="NL">On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Gomes, Chuck <<a href="mailto:cgomes@verisign.com" target="_blank">cgomes@verisign.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Please see the letter I sent to Fadi in 2013:
<a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/correspondence/gomes-to-chehade-2013-08-30-en" target="_blank">
https://www.icann.org/resources/correspondence/gomes-to-chehade-2013-08-30-en</a> .</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, December 02, 2014 3:57 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Avri Doria<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Do we really need a Contracting Co.?</span></font><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Avri Doria <<a href="mailto:avri@acm.org" target="_blank">avri@acm.org</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I also don't understand the view that ICANN community and corporate are separate.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Okay, may i ask if this is happening at the moment and what the NTIA role has been in making sure it does not
happen? because what we are trying to transition is the NTIA role and not ICANN management itself....if there is something that needs to be fixed in the ICANN structure then it could be put in the requirement for transition (most of which should be looked
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the community. Adn the staff is governed by a CEO that is not subject, in any way, to community appproval in hiring or contract renewal. The Community has NO influence over ICANN Staff.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Well in the RIR world the board (by by-law) acts in the interest of the organisation. They may also choose not
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What does that mean? and how is ICANN community different from a typical RIR community.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The RIR board by the by-law could decide not to approve a policy proposal, its just that they have not had any
reason to exercise such powers. So if you are saying there has been consistence instances where a policy that achieved consensus in the ICANN community was overruled by the board, then there is definitely something wrong and will be good to have an example
of such scenario to understand why they took such action and determine how to avoid such in future. This is how we build the organisation from inside especially if we understand that ICANN is the home for gTLD<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Please when you think of who pays, think of it from the customer perspective, think of participation, think
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I think it will be safer to answer this with another question, where will the contractor get the money to pay from?
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I persist in seeing the only real possibility of capture in a massively multistakeholder body is that the community process can be captured by ICANN corporate decisions made that disregard the community's consensus, and that is what we need to protect against.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Looks like you are now referring the MRT to be a MASSIVE multi-stakeholder body, please can we fashion out the composition
and charter of this organisation so we appreciate what we are looking at. It sure seem there is going to be a lot of mechanism required to ensure that the multistakeholder body is indeed inclusive.
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<i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">web: </span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Mobile: <a value="+2348035233535">+2348035233535</a></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><br></i><i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank"> </a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><br><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br></blockquote></blockquote></font><br></div></div>
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