<div dir="ltr">Milton:<div><br></div><div>Then maybe a better solution is to have one representative from each organization. That will give it a better balance and no issues regarding which organization gets how many seats. </div><div><br></div><div>-ed</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Milton L Mueller <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Lars-Erik<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We need to be realistic in our approach to MRT composition. 5 GAC reps, not to mention the 5 regional reps of all
the other ACs that will inevitably follow from such an approach, makes no sense given the function of the MRT. It represents a dysfunctional swelling of the MRT to unwieldy proportions, and a politicization of its function. The purpose of MRT is not to optimize
ease of representation for the GAC, nor is it to maximize “global engagement” in a non-policy making entity. It is a contracting authority for the IANA functions. Global engagement comes in the policy process. We need to stop thinking of the MRT as something
that represents diverse policy views. I see no reason why a single GAC representative is not sufficient to provide the kind of oversight needed to determine whether governments think the IANA contractor is doing an acceptable job. If the GAC can aggregate
its views enough to elect a single chair, or to write a single communique, why can it not select a single MRT representative?
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:Lars-Erik.Forsberg@ec.europa.eu" target="_blank">Lars-Erik.Forsberg@ec.europa.eu</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 15, 2014 7:14 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Milton L Mueller; <a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com" target="_blank">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>; <a href="mailto:gurcharya@gmail.com" target="_blank">gurcharya@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch" target="_blank">Thomas.Schneider@bakom.admin.ch</a></span></font></p><div><div class="h5"><font face="Calibri"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Composition of MRT<u></u><u></u></font></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Milton,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">True, GAC is an advisory body but I think there are a lot of other reasons for the 5 members, not only
that public authorities have signed up and participates in the multistakeholder community but also for reasons of global engagement and geographical balance,e not only in GAC but in the community as a whole…it is not as if Africa, Latin America or even Asia
were overrepresented in the other constituencies of ICANN…<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Erik<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Milton L Mueller<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, December 14, 2014 6:50 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Donna Austin; Guru Acharya; </span>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Composition of MRT<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Donna:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I agree with you that gTLD registries should have parity with ccTLD registries in the MRT.
In our original discussions of this composition, I proposed 5 and 5. But we just didn’t know how to create that parity easily given the GNSO’s 4- stakeholder group structure. I would encourage you think of ways to do that in ways that would be acceptable to
the GNSO as a whole. Perhaps 2 from the RySG instead of 1 if you can get the other SGs to accept it. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Guru:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I would strongly oppose putting 5 GAC seats on the MRT. My initial idea was actually to
have one ALAC, GAC and SSAC representative on the MRT. GAC is a policy advisory committee, so is ALAC. It makes absolutely no sense to have the MRT stacked with entities whose main concern is policy. Further, many governments are direct owners or licensors
of their ccTLD so they would be represented when and if IANA functions affects them directly. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I think people are still getting confused about the role of policy and implementation,
and viewing the MRT as a way to intervene in policy. This is very dangerous and needs to be discouraged. MRT is concerned with who the IANA contractor should be and with the accuracy, security, efficiency and stability with which the names IANA functions are
implemented. That is all. <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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Donna Austin [</span></font><a href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com" target="_blank"><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</span></font></a><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:16 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Milton L Mueller; Guru Acharya; </span>
</font><a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org" target="_blank"><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</span></font></a><font face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [CWG-Stewardship] Composition of MRT<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Milton,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Speaking as the RySG representative on the CWG: as direct customers of the
IANA function, gTLD registries would seek at a minimum parity, in your proposal, for five members from the ccNSO. Your current composition is inherently imbalanced by providing for only 1 gTLD registry operator compared to 5 ccTLD registry operators.
<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span lang="EN-AU" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">While ccTLDs have in the past been the primary customer of the IANA naming
services, the delegation of more than 400 new gTLDs means that this is no longer the case. If you can find rationale to have 5 ccTLD registry operators in your proposed composition of the MRT, I see no reason why this rationale should not be extended to gTLD
registry operators.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Milton L Mueller<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 12 December 2014 5:42 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Composition of MRT<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Here’s an idea that some of us in NCSG are kicking around<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">We propose a 21-member team with 2 non-voting liaisons, with some kind of supermajority voting
construct (⅔ or </span></font><font size="3" color="black" face="Cambria Math"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:black">⅘</span></font><font size="3" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">)
for key decisions. The composition is structured and balanced to ensure that the MRT embodies a strong commitment to efficient and neutral administration of the DNS root zone rather than any specific policy agenda. Safeguards must be in place to ensure that
it is independent of ICANN corporate but also cannot be captured or unduly influenced by governments, intergovernmental organizations, or specific economic interests. The MRT should draw most of its ICANN community members from ICANN’s GNSO and ccNSO, with
the GNSO forwarding 4 (1 member for each Stakeholder Group), and the ccNSO forwarding 5 (1 for each world region). The root server operators should also be represented on the MRT with 2 positions. Each ICANN Advisory Committee (GAC, SSAC and ALAC) should appoint
2 members. There should be 4 independent experts external to the ICANN community selected through a public nomination process administered by [who? ISOC? IEEE?] but subject to conflict of interest constraints. Additionally, 2 non-voting but fully participating
liaisons from the other operational communities should be appointed (by ASO for numbers and by IAB for protocols) to facilitate coordination across the different IANA functions. MRT members should be appointed for limited terms sized appropriate to the contract
renewal cycle.</span></font><font color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Guru Acharya<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Friday, December 12, 2014 6:07 AM<br>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [CWG-Stewardship] Composition of MRT<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The CWG is yet to decide the composition of the MRT. I was hoping someone could throw a strawman composition at us so that discussions can be
initiated.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">As reference, the composition of ICG is as follows:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ALAC x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ASO x 1<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ccNSO x 4<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">GAC x 5<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">GNSO x 3<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">gTLD Registries x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ICC/BASIS x 1<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">IAB x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">IETF x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ISOC x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">NRO x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">RSSAC x 2 <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">SSAC x 2<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1) Should members of non-naming communities (like IETF and ASO) be a part of MRT since our proposal only relates to the IANA for the names community?
For example, the CRISP (numbers community) draft proposal does not envision names community members in its oversight mechanism.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2) Which stakeholder groups should be included beyond the ICANN community structures so that the MRT is representative of the global-multistakeholder
community? For example, should IGF-MAG members have a place?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">3) How do we include ccTLDs that are not ccNSO members?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4) How do we ensure membership from developing countries (not government, but civil society or technical community) - is some sort of affirmative
action possible?<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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