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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bertrand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Correction accepted: I should say the “internal to ICANN solution”….
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Bertrand de La Chapelle [mailto:bdelachapelle@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 18, 2014 11:10 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Milton L Mueller<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alan Greenberg; CWG Stewardship<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Agenda item 5 - Alternate proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">can I respectfully but firmly ask you to refrain from labeling people who have concerns with the complexities of the currently discussed architecture as<span style="color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">You know it is not true and are too well versed in these discussions not to see that the issues are a bit more complex than that. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Such an attitude does not serve the feeling of mutual respect and trust that I would like to prevail in designing a community solution. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Milton L Mueller <<a href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu" target="_blank">mueller@syr.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Interesting that Shawn’s membership proposal (the one published in The Hill) is put forward as something
“simpler” than the CWG proposal. Though I am sympathetic to this proposal, establishing a membership would be an extremely complicated and drawn-out change, fraught with all kinds of unanticipated implications and implementation difficulties.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Likewise, Alan is suggesting that a set of yet-unknown changes coming out of an incomplete process
is also “less complicated.” That is not a supportable claim. It would be more accurate to say that the separability we propose here dramatically simplifies the work of the CCWG-Accountability.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Del Bianco’s “cross-community membership group” (described at the end of Alan’s message below) is another
proposal mentioned. That would be an alternative board that could second-guess ICANN’s board in numerous ways and would create a competing power center. The complications caused by such a structure are _<i>enormous</i>_, far more so than the Contract Co. It
is interesting that advocates of ICANN controlling everything see such problems with the MRT but no such problems with a committee that not only mirrors the composition of the MRT but has an unrestricted mandate to overrule the board.
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Alan Greenberg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">Although I believe that the ALAC proposal (<a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-cwg-naming-transition-01dec14/msg00011.html" target="_blank"> http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-cwg-naming-transition-01dec14/msg00011.html</a>
) is the only such alternative presented here, it is not alone. I am not advocating the exact details of the proposal referenced in the message (see
<a href="http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/" target="_blank">
http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/</a> and <a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-plan-needs-new-ideas-to-ensure-accountability" target="_blank">
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-plan-needs-new-ideas-to-ensure-accountability</a>), but it does demonstrate that we are not unique in wanting a far simpler mode for the new IANA coupled with
<b>real multistakeholder accountability in ICANN</b>.<br>
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I believe that the CCWG *WILL* deliver and I think that we need to factor that into our deliberations. Specifically, is there really a need for the complexity, cost and associated issues of Contract Co. given the same level of control could be provided by a
change such as this?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">From: Steve DelBianco <<a href="mailto:sdelbianco@netchoice.org" target="_blank">sdelbianco@netchoice.org</a>><br>
To: Accountability Cross Community <<a href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org" target="_blank">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a>><br>
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 16:20:43 +0000<br>
Subject: [CCWG-Accountability] Op-Ed from ITIF regarding permanent cross-community group as ultimate authority<br>
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This pertains to our discussion yesterday about a permanent, cross-community "˜Membership" group to hold ICANN board and management accountable to the community. It was described this way in
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draft3</a> for work area 2: <o:p></o:p></p>
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Amend ICANN bylaws to recognize a permanent cross-community representative structure (all ACs, SOs, Constituencies) with authority to:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Approve changes to ICANN bylaws or Articles, with 2/3 approval<o:p></o:p></p>
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Approve annual proposed ICANN budget<o:p></o:p></p>
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Recall one or all ICANN Board members<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="http://www.innovationfiles.org/key-principles-for-the-icann-transition/" target="_blank">
proposing</a> a community of stakeholders as ultimate authority posted a relevant
<a href="http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/technology/227375-icann-transition-plan-needs-new-ideas-to-ensure-accountability" target="_blank">
Op-Ed</a> in a Washington paper today. Daniel Castro of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation (ITIF) wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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California state law applies since ICANN is a registered nonprofit corporation in the state. As such, California law allows nonprofit organizations to have statutory members. Gunnarson suggests that one way to provide an effective check on the ICANN board's
power is to create statutory members of ICANN with extensive authority over the board. This authority could include removing board members, overturning board decisions, etc. The statutory members would likely include the chairs of the various ICANN "supporting
organizations" and "advisory committees," such as the Address Supporting Organization (ASO) responsible for IP address policy and the Country Code Name Supporting Organization (ccNSO) responsible for managing the country code top-level domains. To ensure that
the statutory members do not hold too much sway, their actions could be limited to situations where there is a supermajority (i.e., consensus).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We welcome further elaboration of legal basis to enable this modification to ICANN’s bylaws in conformance with California law.<br>
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Steve DelBianco<br>
Executive Director<br>
NetChoice<br>
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<a href="http://www.netchoice.org/" target="_blank">http://www.NetChoice.org</a> and
<a href="http://blog.netchoice.org/" target="_blank">http://blog.netchoice.org</a>
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