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Hi,<br>
<br>
I have no problem seeing both of these as possibly be true
simultaneously - I see no paradox.<br>
<br>
One can argue that the set of entities Contract Co, Contract holder,
CSC, IANA, IAP, MRT, and the interconnections between them makes
for a complex architecture. And if one beleives that it is more
complex than necessary to fulfill the IANA transition requirements,
then it may be said that it is too complex.<br>
<br>
While also realizing that we have a ways to go, especially at the
time the report was put out, defining the details of the entities
and the nature of the communication and responsibility interfaces
between those entities.<br>
<br>
Complexity without enough detail.<br>
<br>
avri<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 09-Jan-15 11:53, Donna Austin wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Milton,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Based on our analysis, there were a
significant number of comments that said the proposal was
too complex and paradoxically the were also a significant
number of comments that said the proposal lacked detail.
We’re just reflecting what we read in the comments.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Donna</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Milton L Mueller [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">mailto:mueller@syr.edu</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 9 January 2015 12:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kieren McCarthy; Donna Austin<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [CWG-Stewardship] RySG analysis of
public comments</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I think the RySG did a
good job of summarizing the comments from their point of
view, but I can’t agree with one of their conclusions as to
what should guide future efforts: the proposal is “too
complex.” </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The statement that a
proposal is “too complex” implies that one could develop a
proposal that does the same things and has the same
safeguards and is less complex. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">My response to that is:
show me.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We have already seen
ALAC try and completely fail to deliver an alternative
solution that is less complex.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The “too complex” charge
strikes me as one of those things that one would say after
one’s first confrontation with the proposal. It was my first
reaction, too. It is very easy to say, it is a kind of
superficial response. The real issue is, however: what
proposal is less complex, and how would it work? Until we
have real, complete alternate proposals on the table the
characterization of one proposal as “complex” is not very
meaningful. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If you think the status
quo is not complex, you don’t understand what goes on in the
current regime. The NTIA is embedded in the US government in
a highly complex way; nothing simple about it. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kieren McCarthy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For what it's worth, I
think this is a useful and succinct summary. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I'm not entirely
sure why the ALAC proposal has been highlighted twice
when no other submissions have been specifically
mentioned and there were other proposals. But apart from
that this seems like a good path forward to me.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Kieren</span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:15 PM, Donna
Austin <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>All</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>In the interests of
sharing, a group of RySG members conducted our own
analysis of the comments submitted on the CWG
Transition Proposal. Provided below are our
conclusions and recommendations for next steps.
Also attached is a document we prepared containing
key excerpts of comments as they relate to various
aspects of the proposal.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Please accept this
information in the spirit that it is offered—not
as authoritative but as the result of an analysis
developed by the RySG for our own purposes. </span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>We (Chuck, Stephanie, Sarah
and myself) will be happy to answer any questions.</span></p>
<p> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>RySG IANA CWG Team Conclusions
regarding ongoing work of the IANA CWG</b></p>
<p> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The RySG believes that the
following statements have very strong support in the
community and hence can be used to guide future
decisions by the CWG:</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst">
A.<span> </span>The current service of the
IANA functions operator is satisfactory and ICANN
should initially continue as the operator when the
transition occurs.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast">
B.<span> </span>The IANA CWG proposal as
described in the request for public comments is too
complex and does not contain enough detail.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Of the four elements of the
proposed IANA CWG proposal, there appears to be
reasonable support for the CSC, MRT and IAP in some
form, although not necessarily as described in the
CWG proposal.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The RySG believes that the
following statements need further investigation
and/or indicate areas where additional work is
warranted:</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst">
<span> </span>i.<span>
</span>The overall structure of the CWG proposal.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle">
<span> </span>ii.<span>
</span>Contract Co.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast">
<span> </span>iii.<span>
</span>Internal to ICANN option</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>RySG IANA CWG Team
Recommendations regarding Next Steps</b></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst">
1.<span> </span>Suggestions made by
commenters should be evaluated based on the
following criteria to identify which ones should be
excluded, which ones should definitely be considered
further and which ones need further investigation:</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle">
a.<span> </span>CWG principles</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle">
b.<span> </span>Would they contribute toward a
simpler proposal?</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast">
c.<span> </span>Results of the two surveys.</p>
<p> </p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst">
2.<span> </span>All alternatives to the CWG
proposal should be examined in detail, not just the
one proposed by the ALAC, to identify what
alternatives or elements of the alternatives should
be investigated further.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle">
3.<span> </span>An extension of the targeted
time frame of at least 60 days should be requested
from the ICG to allow for continued work and an
additional public comment period after reasonable
consensus is reached on a proposal for submission to
the chartering SOs and ACs.</p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast">
4.<span> </span>The work of the IANA CWG and
Accountability CCWG are properly dependent. The IANA
CWG should have the opportunity to revisit the CWG
Proposal, ALAC alternative, and other options once
the outputs of Workstream 1 of the Accountability
CCWG are provided and consider the implications for
accountability as it relates to the performance of
the IANA Functions.
</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Donna</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Gomes, Chuck [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 January 2015 4:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Donna Austin; Duchesneau,
Stephanie; 'King, Stacey'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rysg-iana-transition-cwg@googlegroups.com">
rysg-iana-transition-cwg@googlegroups.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Couple of Edits - Analysis
Doc<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High</span></p>
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<p> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks to all
three of you for the good edits. The first
attachment is a redline that includes a couple
edits I made to the second paragraph and a comment
I added on page 3 regarding the fact that the last
two sections will be sent to the CWG list. Please
let me know if you see any problems. I also
attached a clean copy.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The third
document attached is a final version of our
excerpts. Note I added an introduction.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Donna – As our
official rep, I think it would be good if you sent
the documents as follows:</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US">·</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">To the RySG & NTAG
lists:</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Clean version of the
analysis</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">Excerpts document</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US">·</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">To the CWG list:</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">The last two paragraphs of
the analysis.</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span
lang="EN-US">
</span><span lang="EN-US">The excerpts document.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can you do
that?</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Chuck</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> Donna Austin [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com">mailto:Donna.Austin@ariservices.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 08, 2015 4:24
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gomes, Chuck; Duchesneau,
Stephanie; 'King, Stacey'; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rysg-iana-transition-cwg@googlegroups.com">
rysg-iana-transition-cwg@googlegroups.com</a><br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I added the ‘internal to
ICANN option’ as worthy of further consideration.</span></p>
<p><span> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gomes, Chuck<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 8 January 2015 11:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Duchesneau, Stephanie; 'King,
Stacey'; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks to both
of you. I will hold off a couple hours before
finalizing and distributing.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Chuck</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Duchesneau, Stephanie<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 08, 2015 2:15
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'King, Stacey'; <a
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href="mailto:rysg-iana-transition-cwg@googlegroups.com">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
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name="OLE_LINK1"></a><span lang="EN-US">Thanks
Stacy. Took a stab at tweaking/shortening a bit. I
changed the recommendation slightly to provide the
opportunity to actually revisit the proposals once
WS 1 outputs are published. Please advise if this
is not what we want. Also added revisiting other
alternatives.</span></p>
<p><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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