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Jonathan,<br>
<br>
thanks for the update. I find the updated chart to be an
improvement.<br>
Chuck mentions that it is [not] "the responsibility of the IANA CWG
or its chartering organizations to approve the CCWG work stream 1
except to the extent that they impact our recommendations".<br>
I have two comments:<br>
1. Isn't it up to the chartering organisations to approve the
Accountability CCWG work?<br>
2. I note that there doesn't appear to be any charter-mandated
approval of WS1 work relating to IANA by the IANA Stewardship CWG
but would appreciate if there was a way to let WS1 know if they've
fulfilled the needs of the IANA Stewardship CWG for its own proposal
- so I support the change. Perhaps change the text to: "Receive
communication from CWG-IANA if accountability requirements
identified need further refining", or insert "IANA" somewhere in
this sentence and the previous box too, so as to reduce the
"accountability" scope to "IANA CWG related accountability scope".<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/01/2015 22:54, Gomes, Chuck
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Jonathan,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Most of the
changes you made seem useful to me but I don’t think it is
the responsibility of the IANA CWG or its chartering
organizations to approve the CCWG work stream 1
recommendations except to the extent that they impact our
recommendations. Our task will be to determine whether the
accountability recommendations from work stream 1 satisfy
our needs with respect to CWG recommendations; that may or
may not involve all of the work stream 1 recommendations.
Maybe I am nitpicking; if so let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Chuck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org">mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Robinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 19, 2015 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Chart on CWG link
with CCWG on Accountability (UPDATED)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">In
reviewing the flow-chart, I felt it could do with some
revisions as I have commented on a number of occasions.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Most
strikingly, the phrase “conditional accountability” has been
causing some issues in that it’s not clear what this means,
especially to the CCWG on Accountability, as was evidenced
by reference to it on various occasions during their
face-to-face meeting today. What I understand that we mean
by “conditional accountability” is that we view our proposal
is conditional on specific accountability measures being put
in place.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Please
see below for a summary of the changes which are
encapsulated in the updated flow chart.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">The
changes in the attached are as follows:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="EN-GB">Changed ‘final
proposal identifying conditional accountability
requirements’ to ‘final conditional proposal identifying
accountability requirements'<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="EN-GB">Added dotted
line and dotted box to indicate that CWG-IANA would
communicate to CCWG-Accountability in case it considers
that accountability requirements are not met<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="EN-GB">Updated (in
bold) that chartering organisations would consider and
approve
<b>(or not)</b> work stream 1 recommendations and confirm
whether accountability requirements have been met
<b>(or not)</b><o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1
level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="EN-GB">Updated (in
bold) that the ICG would receive communication from
chartering organisations /
<b>CWG-IANA</b><o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">As
ever, any comments or incremental improvements /
developments welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">
Jonathan Robinson
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:[mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info]">[mailto:jrobinson@afilias.info]</a>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 January 2015 08:56<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cwg-stewardship@icann.org">cwg-stewardship@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lise Fuhr (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lise.fuhr@difo.dk">lise.fuhr@difo.dk</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Chart on CWG link with CCWG on
Accountability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Please see attached for
a draft / proposal for the mechanics and flow of linking the
work of this CWG with that of the CCWG on Accountability.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">As you know, this is a
critical area of our work. Accordingly, this chart is
provided to facilitate discussion on the subject and to
assist us in getting to a common CWG view of the linkage and
relationship.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Thank-you,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Jonathan & Lise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Co-chairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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